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  • pa_broon74's Avatar
    Today, 09:20 PM
    pa_broon74 replied to a thread Can you imagine? in Scouting Talk
    We tried that, but it was met with resistance from district. They wouldn't let those under 18 continue to attend VS's, or Network as it would have...
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  • pa_broon74's Avatar
    Today, 09:13 PM
    Heh! That sounds about right.
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  • SteveF's Avatar
    Today, 08:54 PM
    SteveF replied to a thread Can you imagine? in Scouting Talk
    I seem to remember a move to get Scouts to transfer to Venture Scouts at 15. The Unit that I ran was a joint Venture/Ranger unit and Rangers came in...
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  • JohnR's Avatar
    Today, 08:35 PM
    JohnR replied to a thread A tale of two scouts in Scouting Talk
    Out of the 1200 kids surveyed 1050 answered 'dunno', 90 said 'might come back', 60 said 'whatever'.
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  • RisingStar's Avatar
    Today, 06:42 PM
    RisingStar replied to a thread Can you imagine? in Scouting Talk
    Network in your county in 2018 had 374 members, out of near as dammit 25500 members, or per age group year, 2% of the numbers of Beavers. That may be...
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  • shiftypete's Avatar
    Today, 06:22 PM
    shiftypete replied to a thread Can you imagine? in Scouting Talk
    That is precisely what happened here, mind you that is because we just changed VSU to ESU and VSL to ESL and carried on as before (with a different...
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  • pa_broon74's Avatar
    Today, 06:11 PM
    I get that, I have a couple too, but it's much harder work for them and for us. It's not even just that they're younger, it's that other thing about...
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  • pa_broon74's Avatar
    Today, 06:06 PM
    pa_broon74 replied to a thread Can you imagine? in Scouting Talk
    Yup I do accept that Explorers/Network is a better set up, not sure that was the only way they could go. Also, I think there was a lot of people...
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  • shiftypete's Avatar
    Today, 04:43 PM
    You say that but Cambridge Skip for one has had effective PLs with the current age range as they have been able to run patrol camps on NA passports...
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  • shiftypete's Avatar
    Today, 04:38 PM
    shiftypete replied to a thread Can you imagine? in Scouting Talk
    To be clear I had a great time as a Venture, we went on some legendary expeditions, I gained my QSA and made some friends for life. Yes, we went...
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  • pa_broon74's Avatar
    Today, 03:49 PM
    pa_broon74 replied to a thread Can you imagine? in Scouting Talk
    Thing is, none of that was for you and that's fine, but it was for a lot of other people, and often, they had a fair bit of balance in what they were...
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  • ianw's Avatar
    Today, 02:59 PM
    ianw replied to a thread Can you imagine? in Scouting Talk
    I'll just stand up for Network for a second...our local one is fantastic. There's about 20 of them, they'd never have randomly formed a group without...
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  • Keith at 2M's Avatar
    Today, 02:47 PM
    Keith at 2M replied to a thread Can you imagine? in Scouting Talk
    I think the Explorer Section is the big success of the last 10 years or so - I hated Ventures - we had a reasonable programme, although somewhat...
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  • pa_broon74's Avatar
    Today, 02:44 PM
    pa_broon74 replied to a thread Can you imagine? in Scouting Talk
    Out of interest, was there any research done at the time around why kids were leaving Scouts early?
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  • RisingStar's Avatar
    Today, 01:37 PM
    RisingStar replied to a thread Can you imagine? in Scouting Talk
    I completely agree with the change to Explorers and the age range. Ventures was either young, or old and unwelcoming to 15yo incoming Scouts. More to...
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  • pa_broon74's Avatar
    Today, 12:50 PM
    pa_broon74 replied to a thread Can you imagine? in Scouting Talk
    So do I. I don't think anyone really knew, or knows what Network is for beyond some half-arsed compromise for those who might want to stay involved...
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  • hippysurfer's Avatar
    Today, 11:51 AM
    hippysurfer replied to a thread Can you imagine? in Scouting Talk
    I struggle with the idea that a "Youth" movement should be about providing a programme for adults (i.e. over 18s), unless it is specifically focussed...
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  • pa_broon74's Avatar
    Today, 10:22 AM
    pa_broon74 replied to a thread Can you imagine? in Scouting Talk
    Firstly, I'm not sure. These are just thoughts (which is why I said 'I think' quite often and started the post with an 'Hmmm...'). But, certainly...
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  • daveh01's Avatar
    Today, 09:52 AM
    daveh01 replied to a thread A tale of two scouts in Scouting Talk
    Some thoughts on scout #1, in the hope you get some responses on scout #2..! Seems she's ready to be let in on the 'secrets' of leadership, which...
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  • ianw's Avatar
    Today, 09:30 AM
    ianw replied to a thread Can you imagine? in Scouting Talk
    Outlier behaviour? Dunno what you mean? :rolleyes::rolleyes: #SavingItForTheMemoirs
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  • hippysurfer's Avatar
    Today, 08:52 AM
    hippysurfer replied to a thread Can you imagine? in Scouting Talk
    I wonder how you can be so certain about the reasons for the change? I was not in the movement at the time so I can't comment. I was in the...
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  • pa_broon74's Avatar
    Today, 08:03 AM
    pa_broon74 replied to a thread Can you imagine? in Scouting Talk
    Hmmm... VS's didn't keep up with social trends at all. I think it's problem was one of trust. Certainly where we were - across the district, no...
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  • pa_broon74's Avatar
    Today, 07:50 AM
    Maybe so, but was there any research done into why that was the case? Or did someone just decide that it was a problem with age. I suspect it was...
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  • shiftypete's Avatar
    Today, 07:43 AM
    shiftypete replied to a thread Can you imagine? in Scouting Talk
    Didn't Ventures start at 15? Pretty sure I moved up to Ventures at 15.5 with my friend who was 6 months younger than me. It is interesting how...
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  • ianw's Avatar
    Today, 07:37 AM
    ianw started a thread Can you imagine? in Scouting Talk
    The alternate future, where the age ranges weren't changed, and Venture Scouts was still with us, I mean, ignoring the likely minuscule numbers of...
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  • ianw's Avatar
    Today, 07:30 AM
    ianw replied to a thread A tale of two scouts in Scouting Talk
    You...know the age range change was 2002 (roughly) right? Seventeen years ago. Seventeen! Doesn't time fly when you're having fun/watching the...
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  • shiftypete's Avatar
    Today, 07:28 AM
    Oh yeah the PLs tended to be the ones that stayed but what about all those that weren't PLs and/or didn't get to be a PL on camp? The national...
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  • Dr_Pepper's Avatar
    Today, 07:08 AM
    Speak for yourselves, maybe something wasnt working in your area, or maybe even that was a national trend I dont know the stats, but certainly not in...
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  • SteveF's Avatar
    Yesterday, 11:26 PM
    SteveF replied to a thread A tale of two scouts in Scouting Talk
    One of the problems that I had as a VSL was Scout Leaders wanting to keep Scouts to 16 and even beyond.
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  • shiftypete's Avatar
    Yesterday, 09:16 PM
    For clarity even when we had Venture Scouts you couldn't have 16 year old Scouts, most Scouts that moved to Ventures did so around 15.5 and they had...
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