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HappyCamper
10-06-2011, 07:00 AM
Hi

I am trying to put together a programme with some bush craft type elements to it, not really sure whats best whether its doing bases etc. But my mind is just blank can anyone help please?

SimonM
10-06-2011, 07:11 AM
TBH, it all depends on the skill set of the Leaders delivering the programme. They MUST be competant otherwise the material is put across poorly and learning is affected.

Having said that, I'd consider the following:

Firelighting - start with a ferro rod and light several different tinders, both natural and man made.

Once they have mastered ferro rod, move on to flint and steel...include how to make char cloth and tinder bundles.

Sharps - Cover care, maintenance, use and the law in brief. Get them to practice different grips with their knives then make tent pegs...notch first, then the point!

Shelter - Tarps and if you have the time and suitable area, natural shelters.

Water - how to make water safe to drink.

Food - game prep, cooking over a fire etc.

Natural cordage - make some nettle string (and tea whilst working on the cordage).

HTH,

Simon

Mang
10-06-2011, 09:04 AM
Look on the Bushcraft and Nature social group on Escouts.

Alfbranch
10-06-2011, 01:15 PM
I agree with the above
Also when doing knifework I recomend that you buy and maintain the knives in the troop. Why/ you may say.

My question to you would be would you ask your Scouts to bring thier own axes and saws.

You will no doubt say no of course not they will turn up with a blunt axe with a losoe haft that has a split in it.

So why would let them bring knives that are blunt (I had one parent say the made thier childs knife blunt to make it safe:eek) or olders falling apart and many other dangerous states.

Look HERE (http://www.clasohlson.co.uk/Product/Product.aspx?id=161425938)to get affordable and good quality knives for the Troop

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I have just made Elferfower cordial and I am going make some with my Scouts next week

David Kendall
10-06-2011, 01:15 PM
Following advice from Alfbranch, I bought 8 of these for my troop. They are excellent quality, a nice weight and supplied sharp. Did have to order them but came into the shop within a few days.

Fully agree with advice given re buying knives for the troop - you know the quality, where they are and that they are maintained.

We did a survival camp and I issued the Scouts one each as a personal responsibility for the duration which worked well.

Alfbranch
11-06-2011, 03:41 PM
Thansk David I am glad not all my advice is duff

Prodigal Son
11-06-2011, 05:12 PM
Alf, I agree completely with having a stock of knives belonging to the troop that you maintain and look after.

But as they are likely to have a knife but not their own axe or bushsaw, surely it would be better to get them using their own gear, sharpening, oiling the joints and looking after it etc. This way at least you can advise them how to best look after it and let them know if it is outrageously dangerous.

On camp some idiot left the tin openers at home ( that would be me then!!) so I asked who had a Swiss army knife (90%) who could use the tin opener? 0!!!! Not one. Obviously they have now all been shown but I wouldn't bet they can still do it - a whole week has passed since then.

The condition and sharpness of more than half of them was really poor, and not one was properly sharp. At least they are now.

Alfbranch
11-06-2011, 10:22 PM
What do you do with the cheapo multi tool that has such poor steel you cant sharpen the 1mm thick edge to be sharp and even if you did teh heat treat is so poor it wont hold it. Or the multi tool that arrives in two bits.
Dont say it wont happen it already did on differnt occasions.

Prodigal Son
11-06-2011, 10:59 PM
Oh I know, and have experienced them, that's when you need to tell them straight that the piece of crud they have is dangerous and they won't be allowed it on camp. Advise them they should get a new one and then allow them the use of one of the troops Mora knives.

I do understand where you are coming from on this, but we all know there is something primeval in them that they want their own knife and to be able to use it.

Andy

Alfbranch
11-06-2011, 11:09 PM
I do understand where you are coming from on this, but we all know there is something primeval in them that they want their own knife and to be able to use it.


Andy
I am fine with that and let them use thier own knives for things that are suitable but they usually ask for one of the troops now

SimonM
12-06-2011, 06:25 AM
I have 8 Mora knives for Scout use...I'm about to suggest that the older Scouts get their own, through me so that they can get a good price.

We are also about to carry a stock of them at our local campsite, for sale to Leaders only, so that we can get more people using quality knives around the County.

Simon

Alfbranch
12-06-2011, 12:56 PM
We are also about to carry a stock of them at our local campsite, for sale to Leaders only, so that we can get more people using quality knives around the County.

Good idea Simon I expect some interest based on my experiences with showing Scouts/Leaders how to use knives

SimonM
12-06-2011, 02:55 PM
Good idea Simon I expect some interest based on my experiences with showing Scouts/Leaders how to use knives

We had a Leaders weekend last month and covered knife basics using Mora's. We also did some spoon carving in the evening, so I'm hopefull that the interest has already been generated...

Simon