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    In his interviews and on video with the kids impressed me far more than his programs ever will.
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    I'm slightly concerned that kids joining because he is the CS will be disappointed to find that for the most part we don't and can't do what he does on TV.

    I've always been wary of selling something that we don't have.

    I once interviewed a very wealthy businessman. He had a good going business. He didn't have to work but like most of these guys he wanted more. So he took on a new product line, invested heavily in promotion and staff, got orders and the supplier went tits up. He got a ****** nose but since he had been satisfied with the response he got, he found another supplier, branded the product as he had before and came back at the market for a second bite - this time having invested a considerable sum in the project.

    However, he had sold something he didn't have once, and second time around no-one would touch the product and his whole operation went down the tubes.

    Scouting won't go down the tubes if we don't deliver to expectations, but it doesn't help if people join for the wrong reasons.
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    I donlt think anyone with even half a brain could think that Scouts would be like being dropped in the middle of the sahara or whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushfella View Post
    I'm slightly concerned that kids joining because he is the CS will be disappointed to find that for the most part we don't and can't do what he does on TV.
    From what I've seen he seems to be making a point of what we do week in, week out when interviewers want to focus on the survival/adventure aspect.

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    Hang on. The new Chief Scout is someone who allegedly jumps off mountains, walks across desserts and survives in the wild - we are told that our membership applications for both adults and youth members jump as a consequence.

    Which on the face of things is fantastic.

    But...

    If these people who are now rushing to join were so keen on Scouting and what we stand for BEFORE BG came along, why did they not join then?

    If their motivation to join is the fact that BG has become the CS then we surely must wonder what is their motivation?

    If they are seeking that grand adventure, that wilderness survival element, then they, largely are going to be disappointed as not only is much of what BG enacts on TV impropbable and impractical in real life in the UK - as Scouts they would generally not be permitted to do so. In 15 years of Scouting I have only come across one person who does "greenfield camping". No-one else is qualified, nor has the inclination.

    My point is not the BG is a poor appointment, but rather that whilst we may be attracting more folks into Scouting, why did these people not volunteer previously? How many of them are joining with misplaced expectations?

    IF they join expecting the high adventure and they get cooking on trangias at the local campsite - then the shortfall on their expectation may be more damaging than the good of the newcomers joining the movement in the short term.

    If I can put this another way, if a new prospect comes along to us on a night where we are doing archery, shooting, doing axe and saw, and playing Bulldog (as we did recently), I make a point of making sure that he realises that we do not and cannot do this level of activity every week. I do not want him joining expecting that level of programme every time that he comes. I want him to come because he enjoys the company, he enjoys playing Zip Zap Boing as much as he does Campfire cooking or Shooting.

    Any time we have had people come along when we have had a "high" activity meeting, they often don't stay when they find that not all meetings are at the same level (and they are not due to time, cost, supervision and practicality - and of course the odds that the more often you play Bulldog the more likely an accident becomes :-( )
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    Bear Grylls

    As an active animal lover I am appalled that every time I switch on
    the t.v. especially on Channel 4 Mr. Grylls is there killing animals
    or snakes without any real reason.

    Recently I've seen him kill a huge python THAT WAS NO THREAT TO HIM on
    his show from Ecuador - and he really looked as though he enjoyed the
    experience.

    And just now he was seen again needlessly killing a rattle snake in
    Dakota during the Channel 4 'Born Survivor' series.

    I have been a supporter of the aims and objectives of Scouting for
    many years and I have always thought that the Scouts (and Guides,
    Cubs, Brownies, etc.) placed an emphasis on conservation and were
    mindful of the need to treat animals with respect.

    So now there is a Chief Scout who not only kills animals needlessly
    for t.v. shows, but who will obviously now set an example of cruelty
    to animals as an accepted part of Scouting culture.

    The wayward and violent youngsters of today, especially in the Western
    world and the UK in particular, do NOT need his examples of animal
    cruelty.

    I am sure that the Animal Rights organisations will not let this
    appointment go unchallenged.

    With disgust.
    C.J.Brady
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    Welcome CJB,

    Out of curiosity where do you do your Scouting?
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    Googling you, mr Brady, I see that you have posted this on as many websites as possible - verbatim it seems! I like the 666 touch by the way. Now, if you'll excuse me I've got some fish to gut for our Backwoods evening!

    PS My Scouts are neither 'Wayward' nor 'Violent'!
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    Cut and paste can be a wonderful thing ? say it enough times with enough emotion and it will become true ? I think not.

    Everybody will find something to pick at and browsing through Mr Brady's post history he seems to be a reactionary with plenty of time on his hands.

    Whilst I think everybody is entitled to their opinion I will object to having it thrust upon me in such a way
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    Quote Originally Posted by CJB666 View Post
    As an active animal lover I am appalled that every time I switch on
    the t.v. especially on Channel 4 Mr. Grylls is there killing animals
    or snakes without any real reason.

    Recently I've seen him kill a huge python THAT WAS NO THREAT TO HIM on
    his show from Ecuador - and he really looked as though he enjoyed the
    experience.

    And just now he was seen again needlessly killing a rattle snake in
    Dakota during the Channel 4 'Born Survivor' series.

    I have been a supporter of the aims and objectives of Scouting for
    many years and I have always thought that the Scouts (and Guides,
    Cubs, Brownies, etc.) placed an emphasis on conservation and were
    mindful of the need to treat animals with respect.

    So now there is a Chief Scout who not only kills animals needlessly
    for t.v. shows, but who will obviously now set an example of cruelty
    to animals as an accepted part of Scouting culture.

    The wayward and violent youngsters of today, especially in the Western
    world and the UK in particular, do NOT need his examples of animal
    cruelty.

    I am sure that the Animal Rights organisations will not let this
    appointment go unchallenged.

    With disgust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CJB666 View Post
    As an active animal lover I am appalled that every time I switch on
    the t.v. especially on Channel 4 Mr. Grylls is there killing animals
    or snakes without any real reason.

    Recently I've seen him kill a huge python THAT WAS NO THREAT TO HIM on
    his show from Ecuador - and he really looked as though he enjoyed the
    experience.

    And just now he was seen again needlessly killing a rattle snake in
    Dakota during the Channel 4 'Born Survivor' series.

    I have been a supporter of the aims and objectives of Scouting for
    many years and I have always thought that the Scouts (and Guides,
    Cubs, Brownies, etc.) placed an emphasis on conservation and were
    mindful of the need to treat animals with respect.

    So now there is a Chief Scout who not only kills animals needlessly
    for t.v. shows, but who will obviously now set an example of cruelty
    to animals as an accepted part of Scouting culture.

    The wayward and violent youngsters of today, especially in the Western
    world and the UK in particular, do NOT need his examples of animal
    cruelty.

    I am sure that the Animal Rights organisations will not let this
    appointment go unchallenged.

    With disgust.
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    As a movement with some religous ties should we not object to someone with a user name that is linked to the Anti-Christ ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJB666 View Post
    As an active animal lover I am appalled that every time I switch on
    the t.v. especially on Channel 4 Mr. Grylls is there killing animals
    or snakes without any real reason.

    Recently I've seen him kill a huge python THAT WAS NO THREAT TO HIM on
    his show from Ecuador - and he really looked as though he enjoyed the
    experience.
    I'm puzzled, you watched Born Survivor knowing he dispatches animals and fish?

    Quote Originally Posted by CJB666 View Post
    I have been a supporter of the aims and objectives of Scouting for
    many years and I have always thought that the Scouts (and Guides,
    Cubs, Brownies, etc.) placed an emphasis on conservation and were
    mindful of the need to treat animals with respect.
    Like Bushfella, I'd be interested to know what you do in Scouting...If you are actively involved what would you do if you found a fellow leader or parent of a young person was active in say, falconry and caught Rabbits etc, or live bait Pike fishing?


    Quote Originally Posted by CJB666 View Post
    I am sure that the Animal Rights organisations will not let this
    appointment go unchallenged.
    Just as Scouting has been targetted by those challenging the religious stance, and our outgoing Chief was on a flagship childrens programme that has latterly been found to have been dishonest with a competition when they paraded a child as a 'winner' when they weren't...
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    The wayward and violent youngsters of today, especially in the Western
    world and the UK in particular, do NOT need his examples of animal
    cruelty.
    If you have that kind of attitude towards young people, you loose any kind of respect I may of had towards any point you where to make. I have a feeling your time on Escouts may be short lived...

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