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    Parent rota & CRB

    I've got 12 sets of parents that I'd like to put on a rota but if they're only doing it once a term do all of them have to be disclosed (CRB'd). It's a lot of paperwork and expense for the SA if they do for an hour every 3-4 months
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    It is no expanse to TSA as we are a charity so get CRB Disclosures done for free.

    Persoanlly I would just do the CRBs but you don't have to so long as the parents are never given unsupervised access to the kids and don't help more often than about once a month (in which case they should fill in an Occasional helper form and be CRBd).

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    I'm hoping that I can convince one of the keener ones to come on board as either a "proper" helper or a leader but I'm not
    gonna push my luck too soon!!

    How does the unsupervised access thing work if it's their kid? Eg toilet - can they take their own to the loo but not someone elses?
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    last time I checked Ayrshire was in Scotland so CRB doesn't apply, nor does OH forms.

    Worth giving Scottish HQ a ring or email at Disclosure Scotland and how it interrelates.
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    The situation is going to start changing on 12 October when the Independent Safeguarding Authority takes over and extends the CRB scheme. The phrase "unsupervised contact " disappears and anyone who has contact with YPs "frequently or intensively" has to be registered with the ISA as well as completing a CRB check. Frequently apparently means more that once a month and intensively means more than three days at a time.
    Taken at face value, this could include any parent who comes into the hut every week just to collect their own YP. The ESL of one of our neighbouring Units has fired off an email requesting urgent guidance from those further up the greasy pole than us but so far this has met with a deafening silence. I'm sure he won't mind (he's a regular contributor on here anyway) if I quote some of the links he's unearthed in an attempt to find the answers for himself. What we don't know yet is how this is to be applied to Scouting.
    http://www.wcva-cru.org.uk/index/disclosure/p1255.html)
    http://www.isa-gov.org/Default.aspx?page=315
    http://www.isa-gov.org/PDF/283896_IS...ctSheetNo3.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin1981 View Post
    last time I checked Ayrshire was in Scotland so CRB doesn't apply, nor does OH forms.

    Worth giving Scottish HQ a ring or email at Disclosure Scotland and how it interrelates.
    Yeah we have disclosures done but it's still a criminal records check. This is when scots law gets confusing!! Why can't everything just be the same!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Davies View Post
    The situation is going to start changing on 12 October when the Independent Safeguarding Authority takes over and extends the CRB scheme. The phrase "unsupervised contact " disappears and anyone who has contact with YPs "frequently or intensively" has to be registered with the ISA as well as completing a CRB check. Frequently apparently means more that once a month and intensively means more than three days at a time.
    Taken at face value, this could include any parent who comes into the hut every week just to collect their own YP. The ESL of one of our neighbouring Units has fired off an email requesting urgent guidance from those further up the greasy pole than us but so far this has met with a deafening silence. I'm sure he won't mind (he's a regular contributor on here anyway) if I quote some of the links he's unearthed in an attempt to find the answers for himself. What we don't know yet is how this is to be applied to Scouting.
    http://www.wcva-cru.org.uk/index/disclosure/p1255.html)
    http://www.isa-gov.org/Default.aspx?page=315
    http://www.isa-gov.org/PDF/283896_IS...ctSheetNo3.pdf

    My understanding is that the ISA comes into being in October, but that the new processes and legal requirements don't kick in until next summer due to various delays.

    ISA doesn't replace CRB it supplements CRB, you will still complete a CRB form etc its just the way it is handled has changed.
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    Sorry i forgot about you being in Scotland Alana

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    am finally back in the house so on proper internet rather than iphone internet!

    Found an answer on scoutbase:

    "DS checks are not required for occasional parent helpers who would normally act as an additional pair of hands under supervision. It is recommended that they complete a self-declaration form, copies of which are contained in the SHQ Parent & Guardian Welcome Packs."

    Just got to find out what a Parent & Guardian welcome pack is now!! lol!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lanajay View Post
    am finally back in the house so on proper internet rather than iphone internet!

    Found an answer on scoutbase:

    Just got to find out what a Parent & Guardian welcome pack is now!! lol!!!
    Hi Lana the pack can be found here
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    I've already printed that - didn't realise that's what it was!!!!!!

    If I had brain cells i'd be dangerous!! lol!!
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    If the parents aren't objecting I'd have all those willing do a CRB. It may start as only very occasional help but hey if you've got the CRBs in place it could turn into something more involved with ease without having to worry about unsupervised access. You never when the occasion (perhaps in an emergency) will arise when you need extra help that may involve unsupervised access. Most of my Scout parents completed CRBs at the end of the summer, so hopefully they will be in place for the new term. Regardless of CRB or no, all adults coming into contact with YP should be aware of the yellow card do's and don'ts anyway.
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    We've been told that it's a "legal requirement" that a helper form is completed with every CRB. Not sure how well that will work with family camps!
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    Bloory, I think you'll find it should be the other way round. Anyone submitting a OH form must complete a new CRB form even if they already have one. The requirement for OH forms is still messy as it could pull a lot of people in who do not really need them if the advise given in some area's is followed to the letter.
    If someone is on a rota its always easier to get a CRB done straight away rather than wait until you need it in a hurry.
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    I agree, I don't agree with it but that's what our appointments secretart thinks he was told by the info centre... frustrating!
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