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    WSJ Evaluation Report

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    I've asked Wayne a question about why HQ have not published the report into the UK's participation in the Jamboree in 2011.

    He is against publication, while I am for.

    I'm just interested to find out what other people think please?



    Andrew

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    I thought Wayne's answer was quite clear. If I was an individual whose performance was judged poorly in the report, I an see why it shouldn't be published. Can you imagine why frank discussions about other national Scout organisations shouldn't be published??

    There is some issue you have so why not air that instead?
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    I would happily call for a redacted/reduced report - I feel your reasoning is valid...however a full, warts and all report shouldn't be published - as has been eluded, some issues may have arisen with other associations, organisers or team members. These issues all need to be dealt with sensitively and privately in some cases. If the italian association (hypothetical example!) had problems due to differences between our safeguarding policies, then published a document saying this and how to avoid situations with the Brits in the future...there would be uproar here saying how inappropriate it was and demands to Wayne to thrash them!

    I would be very unhappy if I was reviewed, poorly or well, and the information was sent to everyone in the association.

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    I think that it would be reasonable for the organising team to produce a report which highlighted some of the things which went well (both in preparation, units and the event) and the areas for improvement. I think some of the feedback from the YP, unit leaders and other organisers would be very helpful if I was considering volunteering to help run a unit. One only has to look at the thread on EIJ to know that people have different ideas about what is needed by unit leaders and when, etc.
    Since we are all encourgaed to plan our events, troop nights and then review, it seems odd that TSA can't share their review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Rush View Post
    Hi all

    I've asked Wayne a question about why HQ have not published the report into the UK's participation in the Jamboree in 2011.

    He is against publication, while I am for.

    I'm just interested to find out what other people think please?



    Andrew
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    Wayne’s answer said it all
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    Is it a report like this produced for WSJ2007 that you are looking for:-

    http://www.scout.org.uk/documents/ja...7WSJReport.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Rush View Post
    Hi all

    I've asked Wayne a question about why HQ have not published the report into the UK's participation in the Jamboree in 2011.

    He is against publication, while I am for.

    I'm just interested to find out what other people think please?



    Andrew
    My experience of project reviews is that they are not worth the paper they are written on. They are an exercise in backside covering.

    Nine times out of ten the lessons are not learned anyway, especially when the next occasion is in a different environment. It would be difficult to extrapolate things that did happen in Sweden to things that might happen in Japan.

    However, you clearly feel strongly about it...

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    All opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my Group, District or any other organisation of which I am a member.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gooders View Post
    It would be difficult to extrapolate things that did happen in Sweden to things that might happen in Japan.

    However, you clearly feel strongly about it...

    Stephen
    I feel strongly that lessons could be learned but are not - similar issues have come up in all of the 4 WSJs with which I have been connected.

    I feel strongly that, in effect, we are handing over thousands of pounds of earned or fundraised money to people who have no accountability for their actions.

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    If your beef is with the hosting country organisers, why don't you get in contact with them and offer your wealth of experience. If it's with the UK Contingent, again, let them know. It must be tricky, it's probably different people doing it every time.

    Mind you, you've been involved in 4 jamborees, can't be that bad otherwise you wouldn't go back?

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    What similar issues have come up? Maybe you could make a more direct request by asking for info on those specific issues.

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    The WSJ report and others like it may contain some references and comments that taken out of or indeed in context could put an individual or individuals in poor light. Someone somewhere at sometime will have decided that it is better to keep the contents of the reports confidential, which is fine but Herein lies a difficulty, how the heck does anyone get to know what lessons have been learned? Perhaps an option may be to prepare a summary conclusion that is published on the lessons learned and the major implications for future events, good or bad.
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