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    You might remember this news story from a few years back...

    Can you remember the news story about the dinner lady who was also a Beaver Leader, and was dismissed from work because she told the parents of a girl who had been bullied at school?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#axzz2Kge7woTN
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    Just a question, Would this incident be recorded on her CRB check and if so what would be recorded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Ransley View Post
    Just a question, Would this incident be recorded on her CRB check and if so what would be recorded?
    Can't see why it would be. It's not a criminal thing, it was a civil case regarding wrongful dismissal, no different than if you crashed into my car and I had to sue you to have it fixed.

    Had the ISA launched as was originally planned, however, the dismissal itself might well have ended up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Williams View Post
    Can't see why it would be. It's not a criminal thing, it was a civil case regarding wrongful dismissal, no different than if you crashed into my car and I had to sue you to have it fixed.

    Had the ISA launched as was originally planned, however, the dismissal itself might well have ended up there.

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    Sorry I wasn't clear.

    1. Would her CRB show that she was dismissed from her post looking after children for 'misconduct'?

    2. Would any mention of this incident be deleted now she has been cleared ?

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    I remember the story and this lady suffered from the corporate victimisation often meted out to whistle blowers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Ransley View Post
    Sorry I wasn't clear.

    1. Would her CRB show that she was dismissed from her post looking after children for 'misconduct'?
    No because it is a criminal record check and she would not receive a criminal record for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimjam View Post
    Can you remember the news story about the dinner lady who was also a Beaver Leader, and was dismissed from work because she told the parents of a girl who had been bullied at school?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#axzz2Kge7woTN
    No I don't, but I hope the head teacher is sacked as it sounds like she supports mental and physical child abuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Ransley View Post
    Just a question, Would this incident be recorded on her CRB check and if so what would be recorded?
    no.

    nothing.

    it is not a criminal offence.

    it is not referable.

    cordially yours, TM

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    So iut wouldn't even show up on an enhanced check then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Ransley View Post
    So it wouldn't even show up on an enhanced check then?
    no, why would it?

    there's no criminal conviction so it won't appear on any databases that are searched.

    not all convictions are relevant convictions.

    it's not referable because, afaiaa, it does not pass either the relevant conviction or harm tests.

    it a criminal records check. if there's no criminal record.....

    are you asking whether the person would be considered 'suitable'? that's a different question!

    cordially yours, TM

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    No I just got it in to my head that some background intel and accusations which might not go to court are recorded on enhanced checks, but I am not up to speed so thanks for your reply

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    Ahh now an arrest and/or being taken to criminal trial for something might possibly come up (I am not sure) as that actually could be a record of a possible criminal act. But in this case no criminal act has been mentioned and no arrest occurred it is a purely civil matter so nothing to do with criminal records.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Ransley View Post
    No I just got it in to my head that some background intel and accusations which might not go to court are recorded on enhanced checks, but I am not up to speed so thanks for your reply
    yes, but only if relevant.

    iirc, this was a case of breach of contract. a pupil was bullied in a school playground. the lady in question saw or heard of the bullying. such matters relating to the welfare of children are confidential and must not be discussed externally. the lady knew the bullied pupil's parents. assuming that the parents had been told by the school of the incident, the lady made an innocuous comment about the incident. the parent, however, hadn't been told and what they had been told wasn't true. the lady now had technically breached the terms of her contract with regards to confidentiality. there was also a further issue regarding reporting of the story in the press after she had been dismissed.

    this sort of thing fails in the tests of relevant conviction (there is none) and test of harm (there was none); hence no need to refer or report.

    HTH

    cordially yours, TM

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    Tony - why would it be on a DBS (formerly CRB) Enhanced Disclosure?

    It's not a *criminal* record, it's a civil matter between an employer and a former employee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MatSav View Post
    Tony - why would it be on a DBS (formerly CRB) Enhanced Disclosure?

    It's not a *criminal* record, it's a civil matter between an employer and a former employee.
    that is why he was asking, he didn't know

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