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    Leader Recruitment

    If Units are a District provision then who is responsible for recruiting Unit Leaders in your area?

    (Real world question!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mediamanager View Post
    If Units are a District provision then who is responsible for recruiting Unit Leaders in your area?

    (Real world question!)
    Everyone is responsible for recruitment!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSheppard View Post
    Everyone is responsible for recruitment!
    But where does the responsibility lie for actively recruiting ESLs?

    I don't spend my time looking for members to sit on the exec of the 67th Bradfield Scout Group.
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    District resource = District responsibility.

    However, in the real World that means scouting would largely have ceased to exist. We all have to work together and cobble together what works best for our personal situation. We've just recruited an ESL through our Nepotism Policy (we'll take your kids in the Beavers/Cubs if you become a Leader), the AESL came through a Borough Volunteering Initiative and the one before that was a disgruntled transfer from another Unit. His predecessor had risen through the ranks from being a Cub right through to Ventures/Explorers to Leadership. No definitive model I'm afraid. The key issue however is supporting them once you do recruit them. It's no good saying they're a District responsibility and then watching while nothing happens for 12 months and they eventually give up and leave.
    The Roman Empire did not become great by holding meetings. It did so by killing everyone that opposed their point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mediamanager View Post
    I don't spend my time looking for members to sit on the exec of the 67th Bradfield Scout Group.
    But I've found several leaders for groups in uni towns/cities by pointing my uni bound young leader explorers at them.

    I would say your existing leaders are probably the best placed people to know other people of a similar ilk.

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    A combination of Units doing their own recruiting, their partnered Groups helping to provide/find Leaders and the District helping to find/recruit Leaders.

    Thinking about it this is about the only thing that is not addresses in our Partnership agreement but in 10 years it has not been a particularly contentious issue, basically volunteers are placed where they are willing to work and there is the greatest need.

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    In the "real world" nobody asks this sort of question they just get on and do it.
    When our unit needed new leaders I went and found some.
    I didnt want someone to blame just leaders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mediamanager View Post
    If Units are a District provision then who is responsible for recruiting Unit Leaders in your area?

    (Real world question!)
    depends on who supports the unit

    group supported? probably recruited by the group

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russell Corrie View Post
    In the "real world" nobody asks this sort of question they just get on and do it.
    When our unit needed new leaders I went and found some.
    I didnt want someone to blame just leaders.
    Thanks for your constructive input

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    Quote Originally Posted by mediamanager View Post
    Thanks for your constructive input

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    I'm sorry you felt my comment didn't help.
    You have asked a question that PeteSheppard answered fully.
    I was just adding my experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mediamanager View Post
    If Units are a District provision then who is responsible for recruiting Unit Leaders in your area?
    Do you mean:

    When someone is recruited, who is usually responsible for doing this?

    or

    When it all does wrong who do we blame?


    It ultimately falls to the DESC.

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    As it seems that nowadays is trying to compete with the Comedy Store I'll persevere with my genuine enquiry.

    Locally we have had a number of discussions regarding the expansion of the Explorer provision - specifically increasing (from zero) the number of Units in the area.
    Most local groups are struggling to find leaders for their base sections (colony, pack, troop) and a question was asked last evening as to who is responsible for recruiting ESLs as the priority for most groups is fulfilling already diminished teams.

    The answer was that the groups to which a Unit shared an agreement would be expected to find the leadership team and this led to a discussion that it was a district provision leading to the thoughts by some that the active recruitment should be from that level of the movement.

    I'm already going to see a real comedian tomorrow evening (I do like Milton Jones ) so really only looking for examples on how it is handled elsewhere to support me in potentially moving further with this.

    Thanks in advance for constructive comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russell Corrie View Post
    In the "real world" nobody asks this sort of question they just get on and do it.
    With all due respect I'm Scouting in the real world and have a genuine reason for requesting support - getting on and doing it doesn't really offer any sadly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mediamanager View Post
    As it seems that nowadays is trying to compete with the Comedy Store I'll persevere with my genuine enquiry.

    Locally we have had a number of discussions regarding the expansion of the Explorer provision - specifically increasing (from zero) the number of Units in the area.
    Most local groups are struggling to find leaders for their base sections (colony, pack, troop) and a question was asked last evening as to who is responsible for recruiting ESLs as the priority for most groups is fulfilling already diminished teams.

    The answer was that the groups to which a Unit shared an agreement would be expected to find the leadership team and this led to a discussion that it was a district provision leading to the thoughts by some that the active recruitment should be from that level of the movement.

    I'm already going to see a real comedian tomorrow evening (I do like Milton Jones ) so really only looking for examples on how it is handled elsewhere to support me in potentially moving further with this.

    Thanks in advance for constructive comments.

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    With all due respect I'm Scouting in the real world and have a genuine reason for requesting support - getting on and doing it doesn't really offer any sadly.
    We recruit ESLs just as any other group leader to our partnered unit. Zero involvement from district.

    Unless you want a very long description of myriad recruitment methods, that is the best that I can do

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    Quote Originally Posted by khoomei View Post
    Do you mean:

    When someone is recruited, who is usually responsible for doing this?

    or

    When it all does wrong who do we blame?


    It ultimately falls to the DESC.
    More to do with spending time trying to actively recruitment volunteers for the Unit.

    I understand that somebody who approaches us, or we identify, that fits the role should be guided in the right direction but to start a Unit a base team needs to be in place.

    Do others have experience of the team being "grown" within other Units and then dividing etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by big chris View Post
    We recruit ESLs just as any other group leader to our partnered unit. Zero involvement from district.

    Unless you want a very long description of myriad recruitment methods, that is the best that I can do
    Thanks for the reply - so are your leaders supported by the District once recruited?

    Last evening there was a brief conversation regarding the links between Unit and Groups relating to the avoidance of it just becoming a senior Scout section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mediamanager View Post
    More to do with spending time trying to actively recruitment volunteers for the Unit.

    I understand that somebody who approaches us, or we identify, that fits the role should be guided in the right direction but to start a Unit a base team needs to be in place.

    Do others have experience of the team being "grown" within other Units and then dividing etc?
    I started a group based unit as SL. A year later, some of our cub leaders took over.

    We kept it all in house ,

    I believe that big groups (full sections, own hq, loads of kit etc) must provide explorer scouting.

    Losing kids at 14 because it is district's job is not good enough.

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