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    Local guidance or Local rule?

    Is it acceptable for a training advisor to validate the work undertaken by a relative/partner?

    As many groups are now growing their own TA this situation could occur more frequently.
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    No. Another TA should be responsible for their training validations

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    No. Another TA should be responsible for their training validations.
    I need to ensure this is a rule of the association or just guidance - can you confirm?
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    It's neither. It's common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    It's neither. It's common sense.
    I understand that some may see it as inappropriate but is that the reasoning?

    Surely if a TA has undergone the training there should be no reason why they can't?

    Common sense tells us many things but I'm seeking something in writing that says it shouldn't (guidance) or can't (rules) occur from HQ.

    Anything else would be a local rule.
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    I think it might be a fruitless search as I have never seen anything along those lines, but good luck anyway!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBadBaloo View Post
    I think it might be a fruitless search as I have never seen anything along those lines, but good luck anyway!
    I've already had a look for specific wording but unable to spot anything.

    I fully understand that it isn't desirable but keen to ascertain if this is supported in any resources to avoid red faces at a meeting.
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    There is no rule or guidance on this. However commonsense would dictate that people don't validate their close family members. In BSWE we made this a local policy.
    It is so easy for people to point fingers and say he/she was validated by mum, dad, partner and assume that standards may have been compormised.
    Also as a TA it would probably be more difficult to tell a family member they needed to do more work.
    I have a husband and 3 adult children needing things validating, and I pass them on to other TA's. Although one of the collegues did ask why I didn't just write it up myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nele View Post
    Also as a TA it would probably be more difficult to tell a family member they needed to do more work.
    Thanks for the feedback and, as I assumed, there isn't a rule regarding this stance.

    I take on board your comment but it can work both ways - a TA may expect more from a related Scouter!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nele View Post
    There is no rule or guidance on this. However commonsense would dictate that people don't validate their close family members. In BSWE we made this a local policy.
    What's the difference between that and a local rule?

    It does seem a good idea, though.

    Neil

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    I'm not aware of any such rule. Not that it has really been an issue. Closest I got was whith a CRB form, but it was a repeat and I wasn't entering the data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Williams View Post
    What's the difference between that and a local rule?

    It does seem a good idea, though.

    Neil
    No difference, it was a local rule.. mind you one which most folk agreed with!

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    Whatever happened to "a scout is to be trusted"? If we can't trust leaders to do the right thing and give honest decisions how can we ask the kids?

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    Validation by someone outside your immediate Group/family is the preferred option in this County. It gives an independent overview, occasionally adds value because of different experiences and reduces opportunities for snide remarks. Pragmatically, if someone ends up validating within their Group/family then so be it. I trust my TAs but they think the same way I do and prefer not to.

    'A scout is to be trusted' is an ideal to work towards, not an enforceable law.

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