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    Scouting differences

    Are there any major differences or advantages/disadvantages of scouting in Scotland as apposed to England, I ask as I have just moved into Scotland.
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    It's better (surely)

    At the coalface it must be the same (differing from group to group).

    Beyond the group, in Scotland there are districts and regions - some things that are run by County in England go to District and some to Region. There is also Scottish HQ (SHQ) which is in Dunfermline. However we are all on the Gilwell database and get Scouting mag etc.

    In Scotland we have a separate charity regulator - the Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator (OSCR). Scotland has its own legislation on charities - similar but not identical to England and Wales.

    So if you are involved in working with District or Region, or accounts you need to be aware of the differences.

    If you go to a big formal event or an international - you get to wear a kilt and lots of people want to have their picture taken with you...

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    Scotland is officially a lumpy bit so if you like climbing lumps it is the place for you.

    The men can wear skirts without getting laughed at.

    Everyone loves the English and will treat you warmly.

    Cubs are not the smallest most annoying thing you will encounter.

    You may get to learn about the two small skirmishes where the Scots army got lucky.

    Scots have invented a lot of things.

    Unlike the English the Scots do know the difference between England and Britain.

    That should get things started

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    you will also need to understand that:

    Irn Bru is the other national drink of Scotland, it outsells cola brands at a rate that confounds global branding...
    Ginger is not a derogatory term for an red head - it is any form of Lemonade, with the exception of Irn Bru - as in "Gies a swig o yer ginger..."
    A Cairry Oot is a Take Away
    The epithet, Pal, means nothing of the kind... It is more likely to be offered to intimate guidance that the speaker is a little irritated with you. (depends upon context)
    A pokey hat is an ice cream cone
    Going for the messages is actually going to the shops.
    A Sassenauch is not an Englishman - it is a Southerner. Though by definition all Englishmen are Sassenauchs.
    It is Mulguy, not Miln-gavie

    And it is loch, not lock, that is Loch as in och, not lock and in I'm an English twerp and cannot be bothered trying to pronounce the local names.

    Oh, and the Scots have a long memory so be careful about taking Tony's two skirmishes as gospel as they will, rightly or wrongly roll out a whole stack of others - Sometimes it seems that you cannot move in Scotland without bumping into battlegrounds and sometimes the families of those who fought them... ( and I'm not talking about Glasgow on a Saturday night).

    You may also find that there is a bit of a debate going on in some quarters about some up and coming referendum...
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    Oh come on Ewan there were only two times the Scots got lucky, the one with the Bridge and the one with the Bog both times they were playing at home and they defeated the snobby Knights on the horses once it was left to the real English using those Welsh bows they didn't win again until the English started to use those nasty musket thingys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Ransley View Post
    Cubs are not the smallest most annoying thing you will encounter.
    And he's not talking about Beavers(/Squirrels/Mice) either.

    And they come in their thousands (millions?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Ransley View Post
    Scotland is officially a lumpy bit so if you like climbing lumps it is the place for you.

    The men can wear skirts without getting laughed at.

    Everyone loves the English and will treat you warmly.

    Cubs are not the smallest most annoying thing you will encounter.

    You may get to learn about the two small skirmishes where the Scots army got lucky.

    Scots have invented a lot of things.

    Unlike the English the Scots do know the difference between England and Britain.

    That should get things started
    The national snack is deep fried, usually Mars bars
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Ransley View Post
    Oh come on Ewan there were only two times the Scots got lucky, the one with the Bridge and the one with the Bog both times they were playing at home and they defeated the snobby Knights on the horses once it was left to the real English using those Welsh bows they didn't win again until the English started to use those nasty musket thingys.
    I think that you will also find that Wallace whupped the English all the way to York, that wasn't a bit of Braveheart mythology. Bruce also had victories amongst his many defeats. If you include the Jacobite rebellions, then the 45 saw Highlanders in Derby and King George prepared to depart for Germany before they decided that they were okay fighting for Scotland, but they weren't so keen on fighting over England. Culloden was the only Hannover victory on the battlefield. But then again, the Jacobite rebellions were a bit more complicated than the average Scotland - England match at Murrayfield.

    But the Elliots, the Armstrongs and the, er, Scotts, were pretty good at terrorising the English Marches whether there was a war on or not :-)
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    Will I need a new CRB or will I still be covered by my current certificate, and will I need to register with the Scottish SA?

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    There is no "Scottish SA", when/if you take an appointment you just become a member in Scotland as opposed to England.

    Depending on role you will be required to undertake a PVG check which is the Scottish Equivalent of CRB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushfella View Post
    I think that you will also find that Wallace whupped the English all the way to York, that wasn't a bit of Braveheart mythology. Bruce also had victories amongst his many defeats. If you include the Jacobite rebellions, then the 45 saw Highlanders in Derby and King George prepared to depart for Germany before they decided that they were okay fighting for Scotland, but they weren't so keen on fighting over England. Culloden was the only Hannover victory on the battlefield. But then again, the Jacobite rebellions were a bit more complicated than the average Scotland - England match at Murrayfield.

    But the Elliots, the Armstrongs and the, er, Scotts, were pretty good at terrorising the English Marches whether there was a war on or not :-)
    Wallace was covered in The One With the Bridge (although I think it was Alan Murray who must have lead the pikes forward Wallace seems to have let them stand and take it).

    Bruce was covered by The One with the Bog.

    The Jacobites were covered by the bit about English using Muskets, and were just the last throws of the British wars against the Stuarts.

    Boarder Reavers do not count as they were as likely to raid Scots as English, fought amongst themselves more than anyone else and got on just as well with the English reavers as with each other.

    History lesson aside the Scouts seem nice and have the same need for leaders as everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave1812 View Post
    Are there any major differences or advantages/disadvantages of scouting in Scotland as apposed to England
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    I get the impression that some English groups are the same size as some Scottish districts.

    Where about in Scotland are you moving too?

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    Dumfries

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    Dumfries, nice. Midges are less of an issue there. My wife is from Dumfries and it is a friendly place. I used to know the Area Commissioner there, many years ago. Her husband was the SL there when we started Scouting 18/19 years ago. Sadly he passed away last year.
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