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    Swamped by leaders and young leaders

    Cub camp - more Leaders and YL than Cubs.... (11 and 10 respectively), can that ever be good ?!

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    Yes, means you can send off people to set up next activity while the cubs are in the current activity.

    You can stand back and take a breath once in a while.

    Just be clear on the duties of the Leaders and it can be the best camp ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingStar View Post
    Cub camp - more Leaders and YL than Cubs.... (11 and 10 respectively), can that ever be good ?!
    Not in any circumstances I can think of, but presumably the DC will raise this point when the NAN form goes in, although of course by that time it is a bit late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by normat View Post
    Yes, means you can send off people to set up next activity while the cubs are in the current activity.

    You can stand back and take a breath once in a while.

    Just be clear on the duties of the Leaders and it can be the best camp ever.

    So that can account for perhaps five or six leaders/yls (two on current activity, two setting up the next one, one doing camp chores (meal prep, shopping) and one taking a breath. What about the other five or six?
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    And how are those Leader's camp costs being paid for ? It's OK including for a 2 or 3 Leaders in the camp fees charged to the 10 Cubs but not sure how paying for 11 would stack up.
    In between roles/helping out where I can......

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    We unfortunately had the same problem on our joint Troop & Unit Summer Camp everyone had a great time but it was a shame we did not have more kids enjoying it given we had the Leadership team to support about 4 times as many kids.

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    We have a similar situation in our group. All the leaders and several ex-leaders love camp so much that we often end up with more than 10 adults. Makes camp a pleasure rather than a chore. All our leaders pay for camp. Not sure why any DC would have an issue with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBadBaloo View Post
    So that can account for perhaps five or six leaders/yls (two on current activity, two setting up the next one, one doing camp chores (meal prep, shopping) and one taking a breath. What about the other five or six?
    would have 3-4 on the current activity, 2-3 setting up the next activities, and 2-3 doing camp chores

    normally we only have about 3-4 leaders available and then have nobody available for the setting up the activities/camp chores without being rushed and squishing in activities ... so would be nice to be able to have the breathing room of the extra leaders

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Pepper View Post
    We have a similar situation in our group. All the leaders and several ex-leaders love camp so much that we often end up with more than 10 adults. Makes camp a pleasure rather than a chore. All our leaders pay for camp. Not sure why any DC would have an issue with this.
    Well you might be right, an alternative view might be that this is more about a social event for the leaders than for the cubs.

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    Or even better its both a social event for the Leaders AND about providing a great experience for the Cubs going

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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingStar View Post
    Well you might be right, an alternative view might be that this is more about a social event for the leaders than for the cubs.
    Indeed. Can't have the leaders enjoying themselves. They might want to come back and do it again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Kendall View Post
    And how are those Leader's camp costs being paid for ? It's OK including for a 2 or 3 Leaders in the camp fees charged to the 10 Cubs but not sure how paying for 11 would stack up.
    i agree.

    we don't have any set quota of leaders on camp but i do say to section leaders that financial support for leaders/adults is dependent on there being a need for them on the camp. if an adult is going on camp to simply be another body then they can pay their costs themselves. most camps we'll generally have between 2 - 5 depending on numbers of yp. our last camp had 9 scouts and these were supported by 2 leaders (and a daytime leader visitor). our last group camp had 29 yp and these were supported by 4 leaders (and 2 daytime visiting adults).

    our general policy is: you pay if you're actively participating in a camp; you don't pay if you're actively supervising/leading/managing a camp.

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    A cub camp I have helped with for over 20 years generally has 25 cubs and 25 13-75 year olds assisting. It's certainly not too much help, but...

    It is a greenfield camp for 5 nights (6 for the adults - we arrive a day before to set up).
    Adults (other than the few uniformed leaders) pay for their food; being in a farmers field there is no marginal site or activities cost.

    Between collecting and chopping wood, keeping the fire going (and controlling what is on it), cooking food from scratch, building a campfire each night and delivering an active programme, much of it in sixes (which means five lots of leaders delivering, often several leaders on a base).

    There are usually a few leaders chilling - or in some cases working (for their paying employer) - which provides a useful reserve in case of problems - injuries, sudden rain, visitors or whatever.

    As a result of the relaxed approach, there are 25 adults giving up a weeks holiday each year to run a great camp, year after year - sounds like a success to me...

    (I have run cub camps for a weekend with 4 leaders to 20 cubs - and if it had been my first experience of scouting, I doubt I would have gone back)

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    The important thing is that the kids aren't marginalised by the adults. One option for spare bods is to treat it as a training opportunity for the adults to build up skills.
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    There are also years when you are keeping adults in the groove. Our cub camp numbers dropped for a while - if we had told adults that they "weren't needed" - do you think they would have been there when we needed them?

    Work with GSLs,- support them, help them and then let them manage their groups - they will know the reason.

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