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    Knife Suggestions

    I know this is a prickly subject at present but we are looking to buy some knives for troop kit (scouts) has anyone got any suggestions, what to other troops have.

    I was looking at these
    http://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/opinel-n...-knife-p293610

    simple sturdy and reasonably priced.


    thanks in advance for any input.

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    I have an opinel for personal use, but I lent one to my explorers once, and it came back without the locking ring. No, me neither.

    These are pretty bomb proof...orange handle so they don't get lost, sharp, and pretty easy to sharpen.

    http://www.greenmanbushcraft.co.uk/c...raft-knife.htm

    On offer at the moment, 4.85. If Explorers didn't already have seventeen of them, at that price, I'd get a few more.

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    I would recommend the following

    For larger Scouts THIS

    For smaller Scouts and Cubs THIS

    The knife Ian has recommended is very good too and at that price if you can get enough go for it.

    If they get better and enjoy carving THESE are good.

    As with all things practice yourself and try stuff out before teaching others IMO.
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    Mora do a very good range of starter knives and they are cheap enough to replace the plastic handles with customised wooden ones.

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    I made my own from a kit, which cost 34; the handle is chunky but fitted to me perfectly the steel is perhaps not the best quality but the same knife factory made was 90 so a bargain and I got the pleasure of making it.

    I got a purple opinel for Mrs Yorkielass and the smaller handle suits her.

    Personally I now prefer a fixed blade to folder. Mora would be where I'd start if purchasing for the Group
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    We use these for Cubs and their very good and reasonablly priced

    http://www.clasohlson.com/uk/Morakni...-Knife/40-7804
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    I suggest a Mora sheath knife would be far better than a locking penknife, which is what the Opinel is.
    Plus a locking penknife is classed as a 'Off Wep'. Crazy i know, but they are the laws in this country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve27752 View Post
    Plus a locking penknife is classed as a 'Off Wep'. Crazy i know, but they are the laws in this country.
    eh?

    please explain how an opinel is classed as that and a mora sheaf knife isn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by big chris View Post
    eh?

    please explain how an opinel is classed as that and a mora sheaf knife isn't
    The sheath knife has a fixed blade and the Mora has a locking blade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve27752 View Post
    The sheath knife has a fixed blade and the Mora has a locking blade.
    what difference does locking make v fixed?

    that is what i do not understabd

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    Quote Originally Posted by big chris View Post
    what difference does locking make v fixed?

    that is what i do not understabd
    Did you mean to write "understabbed"?

    Anyway, lock knives are treated in law the same as fixed bladed knives. I.e. illegal to carry in public unless you have a good reason.

    Lots of good stuff here:
    http://www.britishblades.com/forums/...12-The-Law-FAQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by big chris View Post
    what difference does locking make v fixed?

    that is what i do not understabd
    Easier to conceal? No idea, but that would be my guess.

    Not wanting to hi-jack the thread, but I've been recommending Opinel No6 to scouts for some time - Am I giving bad advice?

    Incidentally, I've also been telling them to snap off the locking ring as I (perhaps mistakenly?) was under the impression that the ring made it into a lock knife which I though were banned. Am I right or is this a myth?

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    knife under 3 inches with folding and non-locking blade= legal to carry

    any other knife = illegal to carry

    If you are carrying a knife that is illegal to carry, you must be prepared to give a defence and have evidence to support it.


    "The defendant is entitled to be acquitted if he shows on the balance of probabilities that:

    he had "good reason or lawful authority" for having the bladed or pointed article; or
    he had the article for use at work; or
    he had the article for religious reasons; or
    he had the article as part of a national costume; (Archbold 24-125).
    The defendant does not discharge the burden of showing "good reason" just by providing an explanation that is not contradicted by the prosecution evidence: (Archbold 24-128). Where details of a defence are given in interview or in a defence statement, the CPS should consider whether evidence is available to rebut the defence and should liaise with police if additional enquiries or evidence are necessary. Any defence should be tested by robust cross examination. "

    the bit in italics is relevant to this.

    I was on camp last week and i left it in my boot is probably not going to be good enough.

    https://twitter.com/MPSBrockleySgt/s...13076178780160

    I have left a knife in the door of my car in the past. That is why i mention this example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenpanda View Post
    Not wanting to hi-jack the thread, but I've been recommending Opinel No6 to scouts for some time - Am I giving bad advice?

    Incidentally, I've also been telling them to snap off the locking ring as I (perhaps mistakenly?) was under the impression that the ring made it into a lock knife which I though were banned. Am I right or is this a myth?
    Myth. They are not banned. They are illegal to carry (with the locking mechanism) in public without good reason.

    Sadly, I'd say they were more dangerous to the user without the locking ring. I still have the scar. Whether they are any more safe or dangerous than a normal Swiss Army Knife...both may fold under pressure from the wrong angle.

    From a legal point of view, there is a higher burden of proof for carrying any knife that isn't a sub 3" penknife, in public. You need a "good reason" to be carrying it.

    Banned knives are things like flick knives, there is a short list, but none are things you would normally buy, or see sold.

    I bought an opinel no.6 in a shop, and walked back to work with it in a bag. In theory, I would have had to prove I had "good reason" to be carrying it. It is possible that if plod stopped me, they theoretically could have left it to a magistrate to decide if taking it home from the shop was good reason.

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