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    Membership Fees

    In response to https://www.escouts.org.uk/forum/thr...embership-Fees

    From what I can see the UKSA doesn't levy a membership fee on YLs!

    It does levy a membership fee on those members aged under 18.
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    Not really a question for Wayne, info centre one.

    YLs are Explorers. That's why they are levied.

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    I can understand what you are saying, I think the question is about if TSA want us to treat YL’s as adults and not charge them a fee (which I agree with) then why are they not setting the example and not charging capitation on YL’s.

    Next point now with all over 18’s not being charged a fee, if a Network member doesn’t hold any other role in Scouting why are we asking YP to subsidise their membership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stupton View Post
    I can understand what you are saying, I think the question is about if TSA want us to treat YLís as adults and not charge them a fee (which I agree with) then why are they not setting the example and not charging capitation on YLís.

    Next point now with all over 18ís not being charged a fee, if a Network member doesnít hold any other role in Scouting why are we asking YP to subsidise their membership.
    Not sure UKSA say they want us to treat YLs as adults as such .... more about offering them the chance to gain leadership skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mediamanager View Post
    Not sure UKSA say they want us to treat YLs as adults as such .... more about offering them the chance to gain leadership skills.

    Yes agree better wording "mediamanager", now I know why you got that name from, I'm more the mop and bucket helper, in fact that's where I'm off now to mop out the hall ready for District Cub craft competition.

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    Mark, agree with you. May steal that my module a presentation. Like that wording,

    YL scheme is part of the Explorer programme, so for AMS are considered young people under the census and should be included in explorer numbers. young people's who are JUST doing service awards, e.g. DofE and GGUK aren't counted as YLs so don't pay.

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    The other issue is that pretty soon you'd have a lot of YL units that do a token amount of YL stuff and lots of Explorer type activities to evade the fee. A rule which has clear definitions like age 18 are easier to implement.
    Does anyone know what's going on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mang21 View Post
    The other issue is that pretty soon you'd have a lot of YL units that do a token amount of YL stuff and lots of Explorer type activities to evade the fee. A rule which has clear definitions like age 18 are easier to implement.
    There are YL units that already do the minimum in their county and lots of social

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    Quote Originally Posted by mang21 View Post
    The other issue is that pretty soon you'd have a lot of YL units that do a token amount of YL stuff and lots of Explorer type activities to evade the fee. A rule which has clear definitions like age 18 are easier to implement.
    Pay to play.if a YP is active member of explorer then pay a memb fee.If a YP is a YL but not pRticopating in a wider explorer programme should as a leader they be paying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarlet pimp View Post
    Pay to play.if a YP is active member of explorer then pay a memb fee.If a YP is a YL but not pRticopating in a wider explorer programme should as a leader they be paying?
    Or levied a membership fee

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    YLs are still youth members below the age of 18 who choose to just be YLs they have the option of not taking part in the wider programme. They are still mmbers below 18.

    Rule 66. A map and compass offers no protection against getting horribly lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcush View Post
    YLs are still youth members below the age of 18 who choose to just be YLs they have the option of not taking part in the wider programme. They are still mmbers below 18.
    So why don't network members pay ??? Note not Leaders just network members
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    Quote Originally Posted by scarlet pimp View Post
    Pay to play.if a YP is active member of explorer then pay a memb fee.If a YP is a YL but not pRticopating in a wider explorer programme should as a leader they be paying?
    Well perhaps this is the circumstance in which the group in which they are a YL, should agree to pay the YLs membership fee. In my group, the group pays the National, County and District membership fees of any YLs who are working in the group. The YL pays the balance of the annual Explorer Scout subs to ESU to which they belong, and they all turn up to exploers some of the time. This year it means the group are paying £40.25 iro each of the three YLs operating in the group, and they have to pay the £9.75 balance to the ESU.

    I know £50 seems a bit low for ESU subs, but the ESL forgot to take account of the increased National membership fee in the ESU subs, which are paid once a year in January for the year ahead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roger-uk View Post
    So why don't network members pay ??? Note not Leaders just network members
    Network are above 18. I had picked my words carefully Roger when I put the bit about under 18.

    Rule 66. A map and compass offers no protection against getting horribly lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mediamanager View Post
    In response to https://www.escouts.org.uk/forum/thr...embership-Fees

    From what I can see the UKSA doesn't levy a membership fee on YLs!

    It does levy a membership fee on those members aged under 18.
    yes it does!

    a YL is first and foremost a youth member aged under 18.

    any youth member aged under 18 is liable for AMS.

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