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    Scouts saluting the flag at flag break/flagdown.

    I confess, I don't think I've ever seen this before...

    Rule 12.6 The Scout Salute
    a. The Scout Salute is made only by Members
    of the Movement in uniform on formal Scout
    occasions, as a mark of respect at the
    hoisting of National flags, at the playing of
    National Anthems, to uncased Colours, Scout
    flags and to funerals.

    So, as our explorers are scruffbags, and don't wear uniform usually, and salute the flag at flag break, and flag down, I've been breaking POR for the last 12 years, at every flag break, and every flag down.

    Ooops!

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    They must at least have neckers on, though?
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    I've often saluted even when not in uniform if attending a Scouting or Guiding flag break.

    Another law breaker!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihatecamping View Post
    They must at least have neckers on, though?
    Obviously*, otherwise they wouldn't be insured**.

    *Actually, no, they don't. Like I say, scruffbags. I blame the leader.
    ** I'm joking of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mediamanager View Post
    I've often saluted even when not in uniform if attending a Scouting or Guiding flag break.

    Another law breaker!
    Same.

    If I am helping transport kit to guide camp, and they break the flag while I am there, I will salute (even though chances are i'm wearing scruffy jeans and a t-shirt)

    If i'm visiting another group/section and not in uniform, or doing a nights away assessment (I tend to wear iScout for those rather than uniform) and am around for flag I will salute.

    Tut tut

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    I'm a non uniformed SA where does that leave me,I've been told as i took the promise as a scout I'm always a scout,
    as such can salute the flag.

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    There are times when it is, and times when it is not, appropriate to salute so it's to be expected there would be a rule, though I must confess I'd never noticed it either.

    But at the end of a night hike competition, after the presentations have been made, Scouts are in a circle covered head to toe in mud and their only 'uniform' is a clean but very creased necker, I've always though it perfectly appropriate to salute on dismissal. How wrong can I be!

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    I shall await the teal helicopters

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    Surely saluting a flag is nothing to do with whether you're a Scout or in uniform but about respecting the symbol of your country?
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    I don't salute unless I'm in uniform; I would stand at Alert if I'd left it at home. A uniform covered in mud is still a uniform.

    Oh, and hats off in the Mess Tent (I haven't been able to make that one catch on yet, but I'm working on it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihatecamping View Post
    I don't salute unless I'm in uniform; I would stand at Alert if I'd left it at home. A uniform covered in mud is still a uniform.
    Is a necker on its own a uniform?

    We don't always wear uniform on camp for flagbreak/flagdown...

    Oh, and hats off in the Mess Tent (I haven't been able to make that one catch on yet, but I'm working on it).
    I have given up on that one after trying for quite a while!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihatecamping View Post
    Oh, and hats off in the Mess Tent (I haven't been able to make that one catch on yet, but I'm working on it).
    Even in January? And why, out of interest? I sense some Naval trad.arr.
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    If I'm not in uniform at flag break, I just make the Scout sign rather than salute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASLChris View Post
    If I'm not in uniform at flag break, I just make the Scout sign rather than salute.
    I'm curious to understand why one and not the other.
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    Look at where the comma is.

    The Scout Salute is made only:
    • by Members of the Movement in uniform on formal Scout occasions,
    • as a mark of respect at the hoisting of National flags,
    • at the playing of National Anthems,
    • to uncased Colours,
    • Scout flags
    • and to funerals.


    Only the first one - members of the Movement saluting each other when meeting on formal occasions - is limited by the wearing or not of uniform. So feel free to continue to salute passing hearses.
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