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    Patrol activities, without leaders.

    A simple question, probably with a complex answer:

    I know scouts can hold patrol camps, with no leaders present. Can they hold patrol nights on their own, with no leaders?

    For example go swimming, wide game, hiking etc.

    And what is your experience of this?

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    I see no reason why not. Only experience of that is over 20 years ago as a Scout myself though!

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    Looks like it's ok if it's not a regular indoor meeting...

    Rule 3.9 The Scout Troop
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    that at least two adults (aged 18 or over) are
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    least one of whom should hold a Leader,
    Manager or Supporter Appointment.
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    It's not a Troop meeting, it's a Patrol meeting

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    Ask the info centre what they think.

    Ahike should be fine but swimming will not be OK. Wide games should also be OK but would be better as a troop.

    planning and briefing of those involved is important but staying in the rules is also important hence why swimming is not allowed without supervision though I would need to check rules for a local pool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfbranch View Post
    Ahike should be fine but swimming will not be OK.
    Why would swimming at a lifeguarded pool not be OK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Williams View Post
    Why would swimming at a lifeguarded pool not be OK?

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    That is of course only part of what I said.

    POR does not cover this specifically nor does the factsheet and it will depend on the policy of the pool in question so any leader will need to assure themselves that any such activity is risk assesed and they are within the rules.
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    Kids go to pools unsupervised all the time. Adult supervision is normally only required for quite young kids.

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    I would say swimming would depend on the rules of the pool! Some pools won't allow any under 16s without an adult present. One of the local pools we enquired about for a potential scout swimming activity required a 1:2 ratio of adults to under 16s!
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    We have recently changed our troop nights to fortnightly, as we do not have enough leaders, but the scouts want to run their own nights in patrols on the alternate week.

    I trust the patrol leaders and they have proven on patrol camp that they can work well together.

    However, I am not sure what level of activities they should be allowed to do, and how to get the parents on board. I know some of their limitations, so could try and make sure more difficult things are left for troop nights.

    Do other troops do this kind of thing?
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    That's how this whole scouting thing started.....

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    Not sure I would be happy with patrols meeting independently every fortnight. I doubt an at most 14 year old PL would be capable of consistently organising events for their patrol every fortnight

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    depends what they are doing

    "organise your patrol camp, on the weeks we are all together we'll spend 10 mins looking at how you have got on and what else you need to do"

    "plan your fundraising activity for the community impact challenge (or whatever it is these days), on the weeks...."

    "plan your expedition for the expedition challenge, on the weeks...."

    games at the local park - leader on the phone if needed

    treasure hunt . scavenger hunt type things - planned in advance by a leader - leader on the phone if needed

    etc

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    They should be encouraged to do activities without leaders as often as possible.

    They need to follow the rules and probably be guided through the risk assessment procedure.

    This is what we are aiming for and surely, it is the ultimate goal of Scout Leaders to produce young people capable of doing this.

    I don't think we should encourage them to hitch hike to the Bungee jump over the banana boat pond though.
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    Your local explorer leaders would be extremely grateful to receive some scouts that could organise programme activities.
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