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    Quote Originally Posted by marcush View Post
    Network are above 18. I had picked my words carefully Roger when I put the bit about under 18.
    I realise that so youth members under 18 pay but youth members 18 to 25 don't - That seems unfair
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    Quote Originally Posted by roger-uk View Post
    So why don't network members pay ??? Note not Leaders just network members
    Have you tried extracting 45 out of an 18-25 year old so they can "just belong" to something? When they have no job, 5 figure debts, and the Bank of Mum and Dad started turning them down for further loans/grants a year ago?
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    and if all scouts decide that they will follow that example - sorry imho network members should be paying subs like all other members
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterSheppard View Post
    Have you tried extracting 45 out of an 18-25 year old so they can "just belong" to something? When they have no job, 5 figure debts, and the Bank of Mum and Dad started turning them down for further loans/grants a year ago?
    That, in my experience, is because it is 45 quid in one hit. If it was 4 quid a month direct debit/standing order I reckon it would be much easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Williams View Post
    That, in my experience, is because it is 45 quid in one hit. If it was 4 quid a month direct debit/standing order I reckon it would be much easier.
    There is much to be said for RealPolitik.

    Stress of chasing a 19 yr old for subs vs the benefit of keeping them involved in the association.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big chris View Post
    There is much to be said for RealPolitik.

    Stress of chasing a 19 yr old for subs vs the benefit of keeping them involved in the association.
    Particularly given that the vast majority of Networkers are also Leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Williams View Post
    Particularly given that the vast majority of Networkers are also Leaders.
    Or will become Leaders in due course.
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    or the cynic in me says its an easy way to increase numbers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Williams View Post
    Particularly given that the vast majority of Networkers are also Leaders.
    Are there stats to back this up?

    Does this mean that the non-leader Networkers represent the real Network, whilst the Leaders under 25 would have been Leaders anyway. I had 6 Leaders all under 25, none ever attended a network event.

    Including all 18-25 in the Network numbers is just a ploy to boodt Network figures. That suggest that Network was not wholly successful as a stand alone section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roger-uk View Post
    I realise that so youth members under 18 pay but youth members 18 to 25 don't - That seems unfair
    Roger, you're making life difficult for yourself by referring to 18-25 Year Olds as Youth Members?. 18-25 Year Olds = Adult members. Does that still sound unfair?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushfella View Post
    Including all 18-25 in the Network numbers is just a ploy to boodt Network figures. That suggest that Network was not wholly successful as a stand alone section.
    Except a few small islands it isn't, and nor will it be - there just isn't the same call for it at that age. I think the majority case for it is for a support and social framework (plus projects/awards) for 18-25s who are already members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mallah View Post
    Roger, you're making life difficult for yourself by referring to 18-25 Year Olds as Youth Members?. 18-25 Year Olds = Adult members. Does that still sound unfair?
    Scout Network is the fifth Youth Section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mallah View Post
    Roger, you're making life difficult for yourself by referring to 18-25 Year Olds as Youth Members?. 18-25 Year Olds = Adult members. Does that still sound unfair?
    Network is a Youth Section, even though it usually not treated as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASLChris View Post
    Network is a Youth Section, even though it usually not treated as such.
    so if it's a youth section, then any members not having a leadership role in Scouting should be treated as all the other youth member and pay capitation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stupton View Post
    so if it's a youth section, then any members not having a leadership role in Scouting should be treated as all the other youth member and pay capitation.
    Under TSA terminology, Network is a Youth Section (ie. a Section where the Scouting is undertaken for the benefit of its Members), but its Members are Adults (as they are 18-25).
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stupton View Post
    so if it's a youth section, then any members not having a leadership role in Scouting should be treated as all the other youth member and pay capitation.
    IMHO yes. In fact, I didn't realise, until reading this thread, that under the new rules they wouldn't have to. I had assumed that the "free" membership was only for adults with a "role", and that 18+s who were "only" Networkers or SAS would have to paid (or be paid for).
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