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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Williams View Post
    No they don't, unless that camp site has a local rule. But even with that local rule it is not legal to DBS for that reason alone, which would mean that those campsites simply are not available to Network members.

    The law is an ass, but it is nonetheless the law.
    by scout camp i meant a camp with scouts present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarlet pimp View Post
    by scout camp i meant a camp with scouts present.
    still not necessarily a DBS need.

    It depends on the role on the camp.

    But the rules and guidance on this are murky as shizzle

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    Quote Originally Posted by big chris View Post
    still not necessarily a DBS need.

    It depends on the role on the camp.

    But the rules and guidance on this are murky as shizzle
    maybe but i am clear. No adults overnight without a dbs on a youth camp.

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    In which case you cannot invite Network Members on the camp unless they also have another role which requires a DBS.
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    scarlet pimp is correct.

    scarlet pimp says that a network member cannot attend a scout (or cub or beaver or explorer) camp, i.e. a youth camp, staying overnight, without undergoing a DBS check.

    they can attend a 'youth camp' which comprises just network members without a DBS check.

    they can attend a network members camp on a site which is also hosting a scout camp (<18y). the camps are independent.

    a network member attending a youth camp will be assumed to be acting in a supervisory capacity as though they were a leader, even though they are a network member and may not hold a leader appointment; hence, they will require a DBS check if staying overnight.

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    I believe HQ don't actually see it quite that way - attending a camp with Explorers such as a DoE expedition as a peer does not require DBS. It does require other adult rules e.g. min 2 to be followed.

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    The key to the network question is are they attending camp to help deliver the programme (DBS req) or as a participant even if younger sections also present (e.g. Mersey Moot attended by Explorers and Network - no DBS if only participant)
    In between roles/helping out where I can......

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Kendall View Post
    The key to the network question is are they attending camp to help deliver the programme (DBS req) or as a participant even if younger sections also present (e.g. Mersey Moot attended by Explorers and Network - no DBS if only participant)
    That is correct. When we run Theme Park Camp for Explorers and Network (9-11th September 2016 etc etc) we are not allowed to require that network are DBS checked. Explorers come along as participants, Network come along as participants. If Explorer Units bring Network members along to help in a leadership role, then they need a DBS. The 18+ (adults and Network) helping to run the camp need a DBS.

    I think what scarlet pimp is saying is that he would never have a network member on camp with him unless in a leadership role and therefore needing a DBS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulArthurs View Post
    Members of the Scout Network are youth members. They follow the youth programme offered to members of a youth section. Yes, they're adults (because they're 18+), but they're youth members of the movement.


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    Adults on camp with young people in a supervisory role need a DBS. Even if those adults are a member ad Network, they are not there in a Network capacity, but in the capacity of their role that has the DBS, e.g. OH. It is no longer possible to DBS a Network member who doesn't have an appropriate role, e.g OH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mallah View Post
    NO, they are adults!
    NO, they are "Youth Members" as members of Network, which is a "Youth Section". Network is not an ASU; it is a section run to provide scouting to its members. They may also be Adult Leaders in a separate role - but when attending an event as a Network member they are a Youth Member of TSA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulArthurs View Post
    Members of the Scout Network are youth members. They follow the youth programme offered to members of a youth section. Yes, they're adults (because they're 18+), but they're youth members of the movement.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mallah View Post
    NO, they are adults!
    The Scout Network is the fifth youth section; it comprises entirely of adults - but they're following a youth programme of the movement.

    The Scout Network is not a pool of adults just to call upon to support Scouting, they have their own programme to follow.

    Guidance on DBS-ing of Network members is available at https://members.scouts.org.uk/suppor...=8&moduleID=10 and makes clear that:
    Scout Network members do not require a DBS check, as Scout Network members are not adult volunteers but are required to be a member of The Scout Association which involves being recorded on the associationís membership database.
    Scout Network Members may take part in District or County Camps as participants, without requiring a DBS check. If this is the case, it must be clear that they are attending as a participant in the Scout Network programme.


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    As no one has mentioned the fact it is ILLEGAL for anyone to have a DBS who doesn't require one, hence why the rules changed so Network noe don't have to have one if they are network only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianw View Post
    That is correct. When we run Theme Park Camp for Explorers and Network (9-11th September 2016 etc etc) we are not allowed to require that network are DBS checked. Explorers come along as participants, Network come along as participants. If Explorer Units bring Network members along to help in a leadership role, then they need a DBS. The 18+ (adults and Network) helping to run the camp need a DBS.

    I think what scarlet pimp is saying is that he would never have a network member on camp with him unless in a leadership role and therefore needing a DBS.

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    Agreed.The guidance states dist and county camps.As a group ALL adults incl Nework members are subject to a DBS by us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcush View Post
    As no one has mentioned the fact it is ILLEGAL for anyone to have a DBS who doesn't require one, hence why the rules changed so Network noe don't have to have one if they are network only.
    So over 18 no DBS then they should pay capitation, good way of controlling this, thanks

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