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    Quote Originally Posted by claire.shadbolt View Post
    I shouldn't have assumed that I needed to defend our relationship with the church.


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    I can understand why you felt the need to do so. Some on here and elsewhere seem to have a particular issue with Scout Groups and Churches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by claire.shadbolt View Post
    I shouldn't have assumed that I needed to defend our relationship with the church.
    who are you defending it from?

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    Probably 1st Facebook. I've had to defend our position before on there. It was silly for me to assume I needed to.


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    Quote Originally Posted by claire.shadbolt View Post
    Probably 1st Facebook. I've had to defend our position before on there. It was silly for me to assume I needed to.
    this is not 1st facebook!

    you have nothing to defend.

    some groups have a strong relationship with their sponsoring church, others not so strong. it is for those involved in the relationship to decide, no one else.

    as i said, in the group i'm in historically the church was the stronger partner and to a large degree influenced appointments in the group. it was always felt that the appointment of the senior scouter in the group was the reserve of the church and they always appointed a churchwarden or well-known parishioner.

    but that's history. the current GSL is not a parishioner or even from the same denomination. does anyone care? no. can the person in role do the job? yes says both group and church.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merryweather View Post
    we are a CofE church sponsored group, so what?



    the vast majority of the young people in my group are anglicans, so what?



    who's suggesting you're not?

    my group is definitely not normal.



    so do we, so what?

    iirc, since it was founded all the GSLs in my present group have been leading parishioners or churchwardens and closely connected to the sponsoring church, probably to ensure the connection between church and scout group (all except one).

    of them all the current GSL strongly supports close contact - so regular church parades, reports to PCC, support for church events/fairs - but then he's not normal and is an exception.

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    Back to the original question, I said "Troop, dismiss" for the last time after 12 years of Friday evening Scouting for me.

    I am however being demoted, as of 1st Jan, to the role of bog cleaner, sorry, GSL.

    It was hard. My ragtag band of misfits[1] (yeah, I'd say it to their face, and I think they'd take it as a compliment, the Leaders and YLs included) aren't mine any more.

    [1] In a good way. All interesting characters, and being themselves is always something I encouraged, I never wanted a Troop of identical conformists.
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    Last night we did an "urban incident hike" (should that be suburban?) with most of the troop, whilst 9 of the older ones were air rifle shooting.

    They set off in 3 groups, on 3 different routes all visiting the same 3 incidents (in a different order). After setting them off, the leaders hastily drove to the various points around the village to set themselves up in pairs at the incidents... one in the church car park, one in a little area of woods off a quiet residential street, and one in a park.

    I'll admit that my base (the one in the woods) was perhaps the best hidden... to get to it the kids had to go through a gate and up a short muddy footpath... but we hadn't expected to sit there, hearing the first group walking past on the road and then carrying on up the road without ever stopping to do the incident!!

    The other two groups did find us. The base was building a basic shelter in 5 minutes using sisal, tarpaulin, pegs and the trees. One team managed to hang a tarpaulin about 5ft off the ground above a clump of brambles. The other team managed to successfully build a shelter.

    The other two bases involved a basic pioneering project and bearings.

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    After the PLC was a bit poorly attended (probably owing to the SL not communicating as well as he ought), we took discussions of summer camp to the Troop instead. We managed to roll both a Troop Forum (Teamwork Challenge) and making posters promoting camping activities (Creative Challenge) into one evening, and get a good discussion of what we'd like to do. This even though the PowerPoint and so on I'd prepared wasn't a great success, as I had an evening of technology playing up, which made everything really ragged from my perspective.

    Anyway, we got a clear decision, and today my ASL enquired successfully about availability at the site
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    This week we were putting away the camping equipment after a successful camp for Pedal Car Olympics at Thriftwood. It took them about 30 mins to fold the tents which had been drying for a few days and put all the stuff in the stores. There was very little moaning and hopefully they realised how much the leaders put in behind the scenes.
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    Tonight we took the whole group 10 pin bowling (82 of us) for the Jambowlree. It was great fun, once we got the lanes sorted out (plan that in advance next time). All the YPs loved the blanket badge.


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    We had a fab night with the troop - we did the fair trade banana thing, lighting tea lights from a massive difference, promise articulate, games and some PL training. Just a normal and great night

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    We did a night hike tonight in the loosest sense of the word. It consisted of a 1 hour trudge following a leader along pavement around the perimeter of a lake. It was riveting and there isn't a cat-in-hell's chance that it would count as a hike away for the Scouts - even with Beavers it would be a stretch!

    The more I see of the troop, the further I realise it has to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darren-M View Post
    We did a night hike tonight in the loosest sense of the word. It consisted of a 1 hour trudge following a leader along pavement around the perimeter of a lake. It was riveting and there isn't a cat-in-hell's chance that it would count as a hike away for the Scouts - even with Beavers it would be a stretch!

    The more I see of the troop, the further I realise it has to go.
    This is where a "progressive" programme comes to mind.

    With Beavers, we would go for a walk with the leaders leading the way and pointing out things of interest. Maybe stop to watch some birds, or to work out what we could see from a trig point.

    With Cubs they would be navigating with the leaders. They'd take it in turns to use the map and compass and a leader would check their decision before walking on.

    At Scout age, we wouldn't be walking with them, unless it was a hike for the absolute newest Scouts and we were teaching them "on the job" how to navigate*. We would be manning checkpoints and probably using 2-way radios for communications.

    *or of course if it was in more advanced terrain - but we dont have the necessary instructors for that at the moment

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    Quote Originally Posted by recneps View Post
    This is where a "progressive" programme comes to mind.

    With Beavers, we would go for a walk with the leaders leading the way and pointing out things of interest. Maybe stop to watch some birds, or to work out what we could see from a trig point.

    With Cubs they would be navigating with the leaders. They'd take it in turns to use the map and compass and a leader would check their decision before walking on.

    At Scout age, we wouldn't be walking with them, unless it was a hike for the absolute newest Scouts and we were teaching them "on the job" how to navigate*. We would be manning checkpoints and probably using 2-way radios for communications.

    *or of course if it was in more advanced terrain - but we dont have the necessary instructors for that at the moment
    Absolutely on the same wavelength as you. The question to be asked is - what are the young people going to get out of this? And the answer was, to be truthful, nothing. Especially as it seems like they do this particular 'hike' at least twice a year.

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    Steady on chaps. People read this stuff you know. I'd be pretty discouraged if I saw (worse if someone else told me) that the way I did things was being discussed or criticised in open forum. I'm not sure it meets the seventh law.

    Of course we want Scouts navigating on their own. However, I find it takes more nerve to send them out now than it did decades ago, possibly because I'm getting older and more cautious - but sometimes because I've had to defend not providing escorts (and sometimes I've sent Patrols out with a leader each because it's a better way to train them to walk alone next time).

    I've also had Scouts terrified on their first time out in the dark (but coming back with grins for more next time).

    Running an evening hike takes people. Especially with inexperienced navigators, bed-time not far away and school the next day, it takes enough people to be reasonably sure that you can cut off errant Patrols before they disappear over the hills and far away. You've only mentioned two leaders.

    Maybe there's a local event you could suggest entering, or maybe (if this is a new leader, for example) you could suggest both helping at another Troop's hike to see how they do it? I know another Troop from our District were happy to have me along (can't remember exactly why I went, but must have been something to do with comparing notes).
    SL, 11th Hitchin

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