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    Quote Originally Posted by DKRSL View Post
    Steady on chaps. People read this stuff you know. I'd be pretty discouraged if I saw (worse if someone else told me) that the way I did things was being discussed or criticised in open forum. I'm not sure it meets the seventh law.

    Of course we want Scouts navigating on their own. However, I find it takes more nerve to send them out now than it did decades ago, possibly because I'm getting older and more cautious - but sometimes because I've had to defend not providing escorts (and sometimes I've sent Patrols out with a leader each because it's a better way to train them to walk alone next time).

    I've also had Scouts terrified on their first time out in the dark (but coming back with grins for more next time).

    Running an evening hike takes people. Especially with inexperienced navigators, bed-time not far away and school the next day, it takes enough people to be reasonably sure that you can cut off errant Patrols before they disappear over the hills and far away. You've only mentioned two leaders.

    Maybe there's a local event you could suggest entering, or maybe (if this is a new leader, for example) you could suggest both helping at another Troop's hike to see how they do it? I know another Troop from our District were happy to have me along (can't remember exactly why I went, but must have been something to do with comparing notes).
    I do get where you're coming from, but the issues raised aren't as a result of inexperience (quite the opposite actually.. the leader in charge has been running it for almost as long as my parents have been alive!). If it was an evening ran by a new leader, I'd have a much more positive outlook and wouldn't have resorted to eScouts to vent my frustration!

    I'm also not suggesting that we should have launched the Scouts off on their own and said to them "see you in 2 hours". They're not ready for that. But it would have been easy (and with prior notice I would have) to bring along a couple of Compasses and some maps, and do some in-the-field grid references and bearings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DKRSL View Post
    Steady on chaps. People read this stuff you know. I'd be pretty discouraged if I saw (worse if someone else told me) that the way I did things was being discussed or criticised in open forum. I'm not sure it meets the seventh law.

    Of course we want Scouts navigating on their own. However, I find it takes more nerve to send them out now than it did decades ago, possibly because I'm getting older and more cautious - but sometimes because I've had to defend not providing escorts (and sometimes I've sent Patrols out with a leader each because it's a better way to train them to walk alone next time).

    I've also had Scouts terrified on their first time out in the dark (but coming back with grins for more next time).

    Running an evening hike takes people. Especially with inexperienced navigators, bed-time not far away and school the next day, it takes enough people to be reasonably sure that you can cut off errant Patrols before they disappear over the hills and far away. You've only mentioned two leaders.

    Maybe there's a local event you could suggest entering, or maybe (if this is a new leader, for example) you could suggest both helping at another Troop's hike to see how they do it? I know another Troop from our District were happy to have me along (can't remember exactly why I went, but must have been something to do with comparing notes).

    I get what you are saying... and i'm not saying that sending them with a leader is the wrong thing to do. However, as a group we have reached the point now with our patrols where we can, and do, send them out without leaders.

    However, the way that Darren described the evening was that the scouts merely traipsed around the lake following a leader. Where is the interest or the learning experience in that? If the leader was stopping regularly to point out wildlife, show them the footprints of badgers in the ground, etc then fine. If the leaders were working with the scouts to navigate and teaching them how to do it then great. But by the sounds of it they simply do this walk a couple of times a year following the leaders.

    We have an issue that some of our Scouts are terrified of Cows. One patrol were nervous about entering a field the other day in case there are cows in it. We need to arrange a visit to a farm at some point to try and lay this to rest.

    In terms of providing support to a walk - we are lucky that around here if they go off-route in most directions they will hit a road within 20 minutes, and that we have our own minibus so could quickly go and fetch them back!

    And maybe its not being a parent of a scout age child yet - but the odd "late finish" and the odd "tired morning at school" isn't really going to hurt them at Scout age. Parents seem to be much more worried about bedtimes than they were when I was a kid (and thats not that many decades ago!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by recneps View Post
    And maybe its not being a parent of a scout age child yet - but the odd "late finish" and the odd "tired morning at school" isn't really going to hurt them at Scout age. Parents seem to be much more worried about bedtimes than they were when I was a kid (and thats not that many decades ago!)
    As a parent of not quite scout aged Kids. I agree. I'd caveat though with: They manage it a lot better at the start of term, than at the end

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darren-M View Post
    I do get where you're coming from, but the issues raised aren't as a result of inexperience (quite the opposite actually.. the leader in charge has been running it for almost as long as my parents have been alive!). If it was an evening ran by a new leader, I'd have a much more positive outlook and wouldn't have resorted to eScouts to vent my frustration!

    I'm also not suggesting that we should have launched the Scouts off on their own and said to them "see you in 2 hours". They're not ready for that. But it would have been easy (and with prior notice I would have) to bring along a couple of Compasses and some maps, and do some in-the-field grid references and bearings.
    these sorts of issues are never fixed by complaining about fellow leaders on escouts, 1st moron or anywhere else.

    What you haven't told us is how the other leader reacted to your offer of running it again for the scouts but with added adventure and excitement.

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    How can you add a vid

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    I am not trying to be awkward here but is it appropriate to be posting photos of children on an open forum?

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    yes it is. unless the OP knows of someone that shouldn't be in there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikki01 View Post
    I am not trying to be awkward here but is it appropriate to be posting photos of children on an open forum?
    In what way is it any different to posting them on the group's website, the group's open facebook page, local newspapers etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikki01 View Post
    I am not trying to be awkward here but is it appropriate to be posting photos of children on an open forum?
    Seriously? Why would it not be? Would it be appropriate for children to, say, appear on a news report covering Cubjam/100 years of Cubs back in May?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikki01 View Post
    I am not trying to be awkward here but is it appropriate to be posting photos of children on an open forum?

    yes. it is. photos online are perfect for shouting for scouting

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    How can you add a vid
    on youtube,

    then you use the video button in the tool bar

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    Quote Originally Posted by recneps View Post
    In what way is it any different to posting them on the group's website, the group's open facebook page, local newspapers etc?
    We have to have express permission from the parents to do so. TSA back this up also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBadBaloo View Post
    Seriously? Why would it not be? Would it be appropriate for children to, say, appear on a news report covering Cubjam/100 years of Cubs back in May?
    If I saw my son in photos going around the internet that I did not know about I would not be very happy.

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