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    YouShape Activity Inspirations Pack

    http://scouts-news.org.uk/31ME-D1JT-...653Z5-1/c.aspx

    What are your thought on these? Do you see them as "inspiring"?

    To me its just "same old, same old.
    To get more kids we need more adults - are we getting the message yet?

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    "You said no to a structured peer leadership system in Explorer Scouts"...and apparently they listened. Phew!

    Do they have shares in Post It Notes(tm)?

    There was something in there that I thought was a good idea. It's gone again now, but I'll have to try and remember to have another look before the next planning thing. Though does this mean we should delay our usual unit programme planning until Feb so it's now #youthshaped?
    Ian Wilkins
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    2 things in these that always get my goat.

    Firstly I'm 99.9% sure that if I ask my cubs the second of the 4 questions, the number one thing they'd rather not do is spend time sat around discussing what activities we should be doing and how cubs could be better. I'm sure we all put out the odd duff session from time to time but if we can't sense that and consign it to the "don't ever try that again" pile then we're in the wrong place.

    The second one is slightly more subtle but they insist on using TV etc themes which a lot of the kids won't get. For example this time round they've got the "cool wall". That is kind of interesting if you've ever watched Top Gear and understand the banter etc that goes with it. Otherwise its just sticking bits of paper under headings on a wall.
    Does anyone know what's going on?

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    Urgh...

    The cringe is high in this one...

    I've been in meetings at work were these have been wheeled out for us to do...

    Like Mang said, most kids aren't interested in this stuff - they just want to get on, and as already said, if you put something on and it bombs...

    When ever I ask my Explorers what they want to do, its never (as in actually never) practical.

    Plus, I've seen those 'ideas' deployed in meetings at work, did I already mention that?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ianw View Post
    "You said no to a structured peer leadership system in Explorer Scouts"...and apparently they listened. Phew!
    Wasn't this one of the points that came across loud and clear from Venture Scouts in the structural review 16 years ago? They said that although they wanted to continue having as much input as possible into their programme and how their Unit operated (I understand this is now known as Youth-Shaped), they had neither the time, the knowledge, or the resources to run the Unit themselves. This led to Explorer Scouts being structured as they are with Explorers doing as much of the decision-making as possible but Leaders in charge and making it happen, so why did someone think we might want to turn the clock back 20 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Davies View Post
    so why did someone think we might want to turn the clock back 20 years?
    Search me guv. Seems like a question with an obvious answer. Maybe they asked the question more or less knowing the answer, but needed to ask something.

    Mind you, there are no real rules or guidelines or content over how explorers should be organised. So I've heard of unit ranging from ones that run with patrols and PLs, to ones that have committees like Ventures did, to ones where scout leaders look down their nose and call it a youth club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Davies View Post
    Wasn't this one of the points that came across loud and clear from Venture Scouts in the structural review 16 years ago? They said that although they wanted to continue having as much input as possible into their programme and how their Unit operated (I understand this is now known as Youth-Shaped), they had neither the time, the knowledge, or the resources to run the Unit themselves. This led to Explorer Scouts being structured as they are with Explorers doing as much of the decision-making as possible but Leaders in charge and making it happen, so why did someone think we might want to turn the clock back 20 years?
    Because TSA have a very short organisational memory due to high staff turnover?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mang21 View Post

    The second one is slightly more subtle but they insist on using TV etc themes which a lot of the kids won't get. For example this time round they've got the "cool wall". That is kind of interesting if you've ever watched Top Gear and understand the banter etc that goes with it. Otherwise its just sticking bits of paper under headings on a wall.
    Done the cool wall twice with the Troop over the last couple of years - worked really well.
    In between roles/helping out where I can......

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    Quote Originally Posted by pstretch View Post
    Because TSA have a very short organisational memory due to high staff turnover?
    Yes, and so do many individual groups.

    As I've said before, when talking among ourselves on this forum we are largely preaching to the converted. Look at the regulars here, we are mostly pretty experienced and generally run a program where our beavers/cubs/scouts/explorers are having a decent input into the program and we all largely have out own methods for doing it.

    There are though a large number of leaders out there who are not experienced. They are often thrown in at the deep end and are feeling there way. For them material like this will be useful for holding their hand through what is, essentially, introducing the patrol system. Worth remembering before sneering too much. In an ideal world how to run a Lodge/Six/Patrol system effectively would be included in the woodbadge training but starting from where we are I'd say this is a decent start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Kendall View Post
    Done the cool wall twice with the Troop over the last couple of years - worked really well.
    To be fair they probably do work with the older kids who've got some idea having watched them - its when they recommend them for Cubs and Beavers when the actual programmes are on after their bedtimes that I wonder who is thinking it through.
    Does anyone know what's going on?

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    These have turned me off!
    http://scouts.org.uk/media/797271/WT...3DB51K,1AS8J,1

    http://scouts.org.uk/media/797274/Pl...3DB51K,1AS8J,1

    It is full of corporate speak. Phrases like empowering project, communication is the key, decision-making positions, further develop a Youth Shaped ethos, address existing challenges...

    And what is a "Lodge Friend" when it's at home.

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    From the blurb it just seems to be a massive bureaucratic exercise with meeting after meeting to discuss what things we could do without actually ever doing anything.

    1. Multiple meetings to discuss what you want to do
    2. Multiple meetings to discuss how to plan what you are going to do
    3. Meeting to promote activity to Leaders
    4. Meeting with Youth Commissioner to tell him what you're going to do and how your going to do it.
    5. Meeting to set up the "feedback" system
    6. Feedback meeting(s)

    That's a terms meetings already and we haven't even done the activity yet
    To get more kids we need more adults - are we getting the message yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbb View Post
    And what is a "Lodge Friend" when it's at home.
    everard pucklewither is my lodge friend.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kastor View Post
    From the blurb it just seems to be a massive bureaucratic exercise with meeting after meeting to discuss what things we could do without actually ever doing anything.

    1. Multiple meetings to discuss what you want to do
    2. Multiple meetings to discuss how to plan what you are going to do
    3. Meeting to promote activity to Leaders
    4. Meeting with Youth Commissioner to tell him what you're going to do and how your going to do it.
    5. Meeting to set up the "feedback" system
    6. Feedback meeting(s)

    That's a terms meetings already and we haven't even done the activity yet
    congratulations on achieving your scout meeting planner badge (stage 1)!

    i admire your level of activity in this fantastic achievement.

    when would you like the UKCC to call round and make the presentation?



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    Quote Originally Posted by merryweather View Post
    when would you like the UKCC to call round and make the presentation?
    Can I wear his necker?
    To get more kids we need more adults - are we getting the message yet?

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