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    New Explorer Scouts...

    Getting away from the politics, probably for the best lets be honest...

    Last night at Scouts... It was the last night for five who are all off up to Explorers (a section I also 'lead'...)

    Unfortunately, a Mum who was in picking her daughter up said that three of them wouldn't be going to Explorers. First I'd heard, so I asked why. The three are all in the same pipe band so are busy with that. Fair enough, but that's always been the case... She downgraded it to three of the five never being available to go on Scout trips, but they 'might' come to meetings on a Sunday night.

    (We've done well with the current batch, we get almost 100% uptake on the weekend/week trips we do, although its like pulling teeth to begin with... You can't run camps/trips if you have minimum number limits to fill...)

    Of the five, as said, three do the pipe band thing, (the mum said they'd all bought all the uniforms and gear so...) Another one doesn't do camping... The final guy is great and I think will like our brand of Explorers a lot.

    The thing is, we've got a generation (if you see what I mean) of kids for which - Scouts is not their main STA.* We haven't done any camps and nary an activity outside of meeting nights for all the usual reasons. Although our meeting nights are well attended. I knew we were in competition with other STA's, and I know we need to be doing the shiny stuff...

    We've been hoisted by our own petards here... I've had since August to get things picked up in the Scouts section with some limited success, but we haven't been able to do the things outside of meetings I'd liked to have done (camps and trips...) The thing is, I don't think I could have anyway, because none of the kids would have come along - be it due to pipe band etc or because 'they don't like camping'.

    It occurred to me last night that it may be a long road to get Scouts back to being the STA of choice. And, if I'm being honest, I'm not sure we have the leaders in place to do it - I include myself in that too...

    Not really a topic of discussion (although I know you will...) Just an observation... The young folk still enjoy it though, both at Scouts and Explorers...

    Hey ho...

    * Spare Time Activity

    PS: For all of that, we're back to being the only group in the district with a minibus again... So we're sort of doing well in that regard... (Its available to hire too...)

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    I think it boils down to the sheer amount of choice available nowadays. We have the same issues at youth rugby. There is so much choice now that the kids really need to be allowed to find their own way and do what they enjoy. My son's week is as follows currently:

    Mon - Scouts
    Tue - off
    Wed - football
    Thurs - Cubs
    Fri - cricket
    Sat - football
    Sun - rugby

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    Fri - cricket
    Sat - football
    Traditionally those of course had non-overlapping seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Williams View Post
    Traditionally those of course had non-overlapping seasons.
    End of football and rugby season coincides with the start of the cricket season for about a month.

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    I think its probably cliques too.

    We just currently have the pipe band clique aboard. We need to create a Scout clique...

    Or something...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pa_broon74 View Post
    I think its probably cliques too.

    We just currently have the pipe band clique aboard. We need to create a Scout clique...

    Or something...
    A Scout pipe band, just keep it north of the wall

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    Quote Originally Posted by pa_broon74 View Post
    I knew we were in competition with other STA's, and I know we need to be doing the shiny stuff...
    I've never really regarded it as a competition. I like to think that all us STA providers have a common purpose - delivering an aware, self-confident, socially responsible individual to adulthood. Acquiring some skills along the way may be useful but mostly to build self-confidence from those they're good at and a sense of proportion from those they're not.

    I've got a lad coming to archery this afternoon (Saturday) who does football in the morning, then after archery he has his tea then goes swimming. He's working on getting out of swimming but his mum is insisting - if he drops swimming he has to drop archery too. He needs to improve his swimming because he's a Sea Scout. (When he makes the grade he can move swimming to another evening - he's counting down the weeks!)

    I think we're all partners. Other STA providers may not agree and they're entitled to their opinion, even if it is wrong.
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    If your have Scouts who don't like camps, then perhaps you need to rethink what camps you are doing and how you are doing them.

    The main ingredient in this camping game is, and people will disagree, not the physical act of camping, but rather the cameraderie etc.. That can be achived other than by camping under canvas and doing the traditional camping "stuff".

    HST - I have had to move our SGD Camp to next weekend. Instead of the usual 24 - 26, we have , I think, 6 coming. Sometimes you can't win.

    I feel that we don't do enough camping, but I don't have the adult support for camps - my wife has always hated camping, My other Leaders are not keen, one now refuses. And we generally spend every other weekend kayakling or doing something else with the Navs, so... time is at a premium.
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    When I was a teenager I did young leading, church choir (got paid for that) and youth club. All of these cost very little. There will be those for whom scouting is their only STA, because it's affordable, unlike dancing or sports which often cost money and require lots of equipment and the like. That's why we are so vital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzledbyadream View Post
    unlike dancing or sports which often cost money and require lots of equipment and the like. That's why we are so vital.
    True, can do. Doesn't have to. The lad I mention pays 6 a month all in. Sport for all and nobody left behind!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnR View Post
    True, can do. Doesn't have to. The lad I mention pays 6 a month all in. Sport for all and nobody left behind!
    Tbf I wasn't exactly a sporty child! Quite fancied gymnastics but it was too expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushfella View Post
    If your have Scouts who don't like camps, then perhaps you need to rethink what camps you are doing and how you are doing them.
    To be fair to pa_broon I think many of his Scouts have never really been on camp to know whether they actually like it or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiftypete View Post
    To be fair to pa_broon I think many of his Scouts have never really been on camp to know whether they actually like it or not
    Yup.

    I had hoped to organise some one night camps, but we're a wee bit mired when it comes to the admin there-of. (I know...) I'm also a wee bit pressured in terms of finding the time - or rather, I have the time, but I also have other responsibilities (like being on call sort of...)

    Not that I'm absolving myself of all the responsibility, this is also a throw back - ummm, up - from Cubs, who also haven't done a camp for a long time. It bothers me to say, but I think the school lays on more camps than we do currently.

    Its another one of those catch 22 things - much like our pipers. In order to organise decent things, you need a critical mass of bodies to attend - but you need a critical mass of bodies in attendance to organise the decent things. I have an Explorers trip away (to an outdoor centre, I know, not camping... Again...) in June, we've only just scraped together the minimum booking for it.

    Although, that was probably my fault - there's an England - Scotland football game on that day... And several Gala days to which all bar 1 of my new Explorers are piping at.

    I could organise an overnighter in about ten seconds flat, and I think we'd get kids along to it. But, I wouldn't be putting out consent forms or filling out the NA information form I asked about in another thread - and I think it might be contentious.

    Related to another thread... We currently have no ADC's, no DC and no CC. There actually isn't anyone to send the NAN to in any case.

    But I digress...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pa_broon74 View Post
    We currently have no ADC's, no DC and no CC. There actually isn't anyone to send the NAN to in any case.
    Crikey! If Wayne had still been Chief, you could have messaged him the NAN direct via escouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ianw View Post
    Crikey! If Wayne had still been Chief, you could have messaged him the NAN direct via escouts.
    When I do get something organised, I'm just going to mention it here and hope for the best.


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