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    Is it just scouts?

    Or do the local rotary/lions/youth club/BB/TA/GirlGuides also get tapped up when a charity event can't muster enough help itself?
    And why is it always sodding car parking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ianw View Post
    Or do the local rotary/lions/youth club/BB/TA/GirlGuides also get tapped up when a charity event can't muster enough help itself?
    And why is it always sodding car parking?
    don't be grumpy...

    your headache was self inflicted

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    I think you'll find it's an opportunity to raise your profile in the local community.

    Like we want any more of their rotten kids in our Group.
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    Red Six were asked to do car parking duties once. Three circuits of the M25, twelve police interceptors, numerous stinger deployments, the police helicopter and an air ambulance latter it was decided best not to ask us again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big chris View Post
    don't be grumpy...

    your headache was self inflicted
    That one I didn't really mind, fresh air did me good, runners seem a nice bunch. It's a build up really. Some bloke on a group in that facebook getting the **** the other day because he put something out there and no one jumped at the chance, and I've just got another kind offer to take up a major part of my weekend standing in a field waving at cars in return for free entry into an event I wasn't thinking of going to anyway.

    I guess when you're passionate about something it's difficult to see or understand other people's indifference.

    Last time I got a request like this they got the hump when I got so mercenary as to ask for some support for our charitable endeavours.

    Hmm, yes, this is coming across as grumpy isn't it? I guess I need to try harder with "smiles and whistles".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ianw View Post
    for free entry into an event I wasn't thinking of going to anyway.
    no no no!

    i'd expect a big chunk of cash for helping at an event.

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    I just ask if they really want 11 years olds directing traffic and parking cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big chris View Post
    no no no!

    i'd expect a big chunk of cash for helping at an event.
    Like Chris, we're generally mercenary when it comes to helping with parking etc...

    It might not necessarily be a direct financial donation. For example, I think one year we helped with parking at a car show being run by the local rugby club in return for using their venue free of charge for our Group AGM.

    Unfortunately we are not a source of free volunteer labour.
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    Our Group does a local huge annual boot sale. We get the buckets out and last year raised 1500 in donations.

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    Yup.

    A lot of other organisations don't seem to recognise that they often can't have the kids without the Leaders - and Leaders already spend a lot of time volunteering for Scouty stuff. You could call it compound volunteering, or volunteer rehypothecation maybe... Volunteering efforts get sold forward to other organisations and on again, but the volunteer still only has the same amount of time to offer...

    It does annoy me a wee bit. The annual one is Gala day, can we do the burgers? (No - did them once - nightmare). Can we borrow tons of equipment, oh and can you set it up and take it all down? Every now and again, someone will suggest a beach clean up - until we point out a) it wouldn't just be the kids, its adults too and b) would parents be happy with their kids cleaning out the bushes around what is one of East Lothian's premier dogging spots...

    (Answer is no...)

    Also, some orgs seem to assume we just tell the kids what to do, that what we offer is like school - so non-negotiable. Pointing out that we might have trouble getting Scouts to turn up to pick up litter at a game fair (say), leaves them not a little perplexed. There are certain assumptions made born of stigmas and preconceptions about how Scouts run. Sometimes can't help but feel, some of these big flashy events are just trying to pull a fast one.

    Got fed up a long time ago trying to convince kids that turning up to certain things (essentially menial work), was good for raising TSA's profile - its not that they don't care, its just not on their radar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianw View Post
    Or do the local rotary/lions/youth club/BB/TA/GirlGuides also get tapped up when a charity event can't muster enough help itself?
    And why is it always sodding car parking?
    I quite like doing car parking, have done it loads of times. But it would have to be for a donation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianw View Post
    Or do the local rotary/lions/youth club/BB/TA/GirlGuides also get tapped up when a charity event can't muster enough help itself?
    And why is it always sodding car parking?
    No.

    I have seen air cadets at a point-to-point.
    Police cadets and guides at different half marathons
    Lions clubs at some running events

    As well as Scouts at various events, I am not sure whether I have seen more or it is just that I notice them more as a leader, maybe even talk to them.

    We support a couple of events to raise funds, raise profile and generally be part of the community. This should be easy as a village-based group, but more of the Scouts are from ouitside the village which is making it a bit more of a challenge.

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    Certainly the cadets are asked to help at events. I'd expect a chunk of money though. We used to get 500 for doing car parking at a local stately home's spring fair. I used to worry a bit about Scouts directing cars and who'd be responsible if they said there was enough room to park in a space when there wasn't etc, so we were careful about who did what. Helping at our local marathon is very lucrative too and there's competition to do it between groups.

    Was debating with an AESL who complained that she couldn't get explorers out at 7am to do breakfast rolls for a fun run. I pointed out that I wouldn't get up at 6am on a Sunday either, that they raised no money by so doing, and (as politely as possible) that they hadn't done a camp or overnight activity for 12 months and that maybe the explorers were doubting why they might want to do such an unattractive event as their only weekend activity for the year.

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    Is it just scouts?

    As a GSL and a Lion, I can confirm it is not just Scouts who get asked.

    That said, I have brokered quite a good relationship between my Lions Club & Scout Group. The Scouts occasionally run a BBQ for a Lions event and the Scouts get a donation of equipment.


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    We used to help at the local ag show with the horse jumps. Used to get 100 a time, which was okay, But then one year it was a bit wet and it was not a good show, so they offered us 50. We took it and waited to see what happened the following year,

    the week before the show they asked us to do the jumps again. I asked for the 100 they used to give us anjd they refused to budge from the 50. So, we politely declined. They eneded up getting cadets to do it for 90...

    We didn't lose any sleep over it.
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