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    Quote Originally Posted by CambridgeSkip View Post
    My concern is the expectations. As they absorb ever more gadgets into them my concern is that the expectation of others that you will have it with you, and you will be contactable will only increase. And with that being able to be away, to be switched off from the rest of the world, to disconnect and it just be you and the mountain, you and the woods, you and the sea, will become increasingly frowned upon. And I don't think that is a healthy thing.
    To look at it differently... it can help people who find sociability a bit difficult to socialise if they have electronic communication available to them. So it can be a healthy thing.

    I genuinely don't mind it.

    FWIW I find in a way it reduces expectations, as I don't expect a reply to an email immediately, and with the option of emailing instead of phoning I will email unless it's really urgent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pa_broon74 View Post
    Yup - this.

    More often I find myself fielding accusations of 'why didn't you reply?' or 'why didn't you respond?' There are those who - because they can see if you've read a message, or because they know their name will pop up if they phone you - get terribly offended if you don't skip to it.

    Smartphones in that regard, play into the narcissist streak some people have - not an attractive trait either...

    In a weird way, the smartphone (in some regards) has reinforced the notion for some, that the world does revolve round them. Sometimes its good fun to disabuse people of that notion.
    I get asked that. Quite often about totally non urgent things.

    If someone sends me a whatsapp message to say "please call urgently, smiffy has been taken to hospital" then of course when i read it i'll call

    If someone sends me a whatsapp message asking "how many pioneering poles do we have at the hall? We're using them next thursday" then i will reply when i have time. However, i might then get a text asking if i'd seen the whatsapp message. And then a call or an email as well.

    It is not the mountain we conquer but ourselves

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    My voicemail message is only leave a VM if it is not urgent. I only check my VM once per day, usually at the end of the day. If it is urgent please send a text message.

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    We asked our Scouts not to bring their phones on camp; upshot was, none of them had a camera, which I thought was a shame...

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    I had to explain to cubs last week why, when I was a cub, we had to bring a 10p coin to cubs (along with pencil, paper and safety pin).

    We have a strict no electronics policy on camp and it is (in my view) one of the best things we do for the kids. They have to talk to each other, deal face to face with people they don't much like, and somehow survive a week eating angel delight for breakfast and cleaning custard off the aluminium frying pans without a dishwasher. (I might have made some of that up).

    As I mentioned to one scout, he had no actual proof that anything still existed beyond the campsite!

    Back on topic, I am wondering if we need to get each patrol a cheap clock, as not one child on camp had any way to figure out what time it was!

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveh01 View Post
    Back on topic, I am wondering if we need to get each patrol a cheap clock, as not one child on camp had any way to figure out what time it was!
    Several years ago I bought half a dozen really cheap watches so we could give them out to the Scouts as required as very few of them had a timepiece of their own. The only problem now is as the batteries expire the cost of replacing the batteries exceeds what we paid for the watches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ste View Post
    Several years ago I bought half a dozen really cheap watches so we could give them out to the Scouts as required as very few of them had a timepiece of their own. The only problem now is as the batteries expire the cost of replacing the batteries exceeds what we paid for the watches.
    Look for packs of watch batteries in pound shops.

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    The big problem is that what goes on camp, is meant to stay on camp.

    It is a maxim that i know longer use with the scouts (it sounds a bit like a threat from a child abuser) but the principle stands.

    SCouts do things that i don't want to know about. They have conversations that i definitely don't want to know about (well... ish... i will listen to them in their tents and it is hilarious... but their mothers must never hear some of the stuff they discuss!)*

    snapchat, instagram etc allow the glorious stupid ephemeral moments of camp be recorded and broadcast to the world. That is at best a shame and at worst, a ****** awkward conversation with the parents.

    *i was 11 years old and on my first summer camp. I was rather innocent (no older siblings) and i lay awake, listenting to the older scouts (you know, the ones who seemed to shave twice daily and have bodies like 30 year olds... the ones who were definitely shagging around all the time at home because they said so, and they were def telling the truth) and i heard them talking about girls and what they did with them and all i could think was "why on earth would she blow it? that just sounds weird"

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    Quote Originally Posted by big chris View Post
    The big problem is that what goes on camp, is meant to stay on camp.

    It is a maxim that i know longer use with the scouts (it sounds a bit like a threat from a child abuser) but the principle stands.

    SCouts do things that i don't want to know about. They have conversations that i definitely don't want to know about (well... ish... i will listen to them in their tents and it is hilarious... but their mothers must never hear some of the stuff they discuss!)*

    snapchat, instagram etc allow the glorious stupid ephemeral moments of camp be recorded and broadcast to the world. That is at best a shame and at worst, a ****** awkward conversation with the parents.

    *i was 11 years old and on my first summer camp. I was rather innocent (no older siblings) and i lay awake, listenting to the older scouts (you know, the ones who seemed to shave twice daily and have bodies like 30 year olds... the ones who were definitely shagging around all the time at home because they said so, and they were def telling the truth) and i heard them talking about girls and what they did with them and all i could think was "why on earth would she blow it? that just sounds weird"
    Yup.

    We have a strict no phones/messaging/etc rule for Explorers. We had a couple of younger ones join, totally engaged in the whole snapchat/instagram thing, they didn't last long.

    They fired all sorts of stuff in to the ether to siblings and friends - most of which they weren't even doing - but it got picked up by one vocal parent who led others in that direction. It was a total joke. Those kids 'left' by mutual agreement. Meanwhile, sitting there listening to a parent moan about what they'd heard (ironically, it was about alcohol and we were sitting the pub - the parent was half cut)... Firstly, the assumption that what a hormonal fourteen year old said they'd done was true. Then propagating it - and ironically assuming your kid was telling the truth whilst bragging about sexual/social/drinking excesses, and that leaders are lying through their teeth... Then assuming that said excesses were somehow facilitated by the leader team.

    Like you say, the stuff we hear coming from the kids. If the parents knew the half of it... And ironically again, these kids have no boundaries, they have no concept of what a private life is. So on the one hand, you have a 14 year old boy, posing as a young girl on SnapChat, speaking to a forty year old pervert - which is 100% out of order, but they think is hilarious. Then on the other, you have parents who claim to know everything their kids get up to. And in the middle, that 14 year old doesn't really care if their parents find out what they've done and more importantly, doesn't care who he implicates in the eyes of his/her already hysterical parents.

    And that's just Beavers... I'M JOKING!

    You try your best to remain aloof and not get involved, but if you live in a small community where the lines get blurred... It can sometimes be tough.

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    Smartphones are essentially useful nowadays, but still they can't replace face to face conversations and experience we have together. However there's measure for everything, and I'm afraid that younger generations who don't know the world without smartphones just tend to give them too much attention. They are actually living in a bit different kind of the world than us, and I'm not sure we can change this. To my mind, it's a good idea to leave them behind when on hikes, otherwise they often stay glued to the screens no matter what's happening around. And it kills the spirit of it all I myself start feeling uneasy when I tend to check my phone every hour and update feed and so on. I'm trying to be more in control of it, but it's really challenging at times

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    I agree with the it's-a-tool crowd. Isn't a smart phone similar to a house or a car? And yet if I spend too much time with either one I get into trouble. All these tools are made to make our lives easier, but none of them make a life worth any more. Thousands of years ago people decided we needed a break from the day to day grind and hence we got the sabbath, meditation, and whatever else one uses to focus on the good things in life. All of these tools are part of that day to day grind and we do need a break from them.

    Maybe it would be better to think about how to focus on the good things in life rather than the tools that get in the way.

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