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    I prefer a signed form which I can have on file for the event and a short while afterwards (in case anyone challenges me). On occasion I have accepted a verbal from a parent over the phone when form was forgotten but got another leader to record the verbal and sign that they witnessed it being given. At the end of the day the chances of a challenge are very small and if you have made reasonable efforts then who is going to criticise?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dasy2k1 View Post
    Because scouting rules insist on written permission for shooting, not a copy of written permission but actual written permission.

    The same reason you find that certain things legally still need to be signed with an actual pen.... The DVLA recently rejected something I signed electronically and everything that requires a solicitor requires an actual wet signature

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    Scouting rules dont, however insist that it has to be hand written, in ink on paper.

    Whether an email from parents, typed, is acceptable may be open to interpretation. but i dont see why a scanned or faxed copy of the signed document would be any less acceptable than the original for this purpose

    Assuming your concern is about falsification of documents - surely an emailed document from the parents email account is harder to fake than the kid just forging the signature on the form. The kid would still have to forge the signature but also go to the effort of gaining access to their parents emails.
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    If a parent gave you a written permission and then changed her mind and phoned you withdrawing permission, would you go ahead anyway? That is, would you regard the written permission as having more weight than the explicit refusal of permission? I think the writers of POR are being a bit sloppy here - the need is for explicit consent. Maybe they didn't think we'd understand the difference between explicit and implicit consent?
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    For shooting the bit you need is declaration that the subject is not banned.

    I, being the parent/guardian of (name of young person) _____ _______________________
    declare that he / she is not subject to restriction by virtue of section 21 of the Firearms Act 1968 (which applies
    only to those who have served a term of imprisonment or youth custody) and have noted the arrangements and give
    permission to take part in the proposed activity.

    If a parent later gave verbal information that contradicted that, I.e. That the subject was banned, they cannot shoot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by claire.shadbolt View Post
    For shooting the bit you need is declaration that the subject is not banned.

    I, being the parent/guardian of (name of young person) _____ _______________________
    declare that he / she is not subject to restriction by virtue of section 21 of the Firearms Act 1968 (which applies
    only to those who have served a term of imprisonment or youth custody) and have noted the arrangements and give
    permission to take part in the proposed activity.

    If a parent later gave verbal information that contradicted that, I.e. That the subject was banned, they cannot shoot.


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    that is pretty much 100% wrong!

    for shooting, the bit you must have is written permission to do the activity

    the section 21 form bit is only suggested best practice

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    Quote Originally Posted by big chris View Post
    that is pretty much 100% wrong!

    for shooting, the bit you must have is written permission to do the activity

    the section 21 form bit is only suggested best practice
    absolutely 100% correct big chris!

    another example of your top class understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big chris View Post
    that is pretty much 100% wrong!

    for shooting, the bit you must have is written permission to do the activity

    the section 21 form bit is only suggested best practice
    I have now re-read POR. I have realised that those in charge have previously told me is untrue and I have perpetrated it by continuing to spout it.

    Sorry - you are right. I was wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by claire.shadbolt View Post
    I have now re-read POR. I have realised that those in charge have previously told me is untrue and I have perpetrated it by continuing to spout it.

    Sorry - you are right. I was wrong.


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    Don't be sorry!

    We all get told wrong things.

    I tried to explain regulated activity in a discussion of OHs and SAs last night at a GSLs meeting but nobody seemed to care.


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    Quote Originally Posted by claire.shadbolt View Post
    I have realised that those in charge have previously told me is untrue and I have perpetrated it by continuing to spout it.
    This is pretty much how Scouting works...

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