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    Young peoples terrorist incident guidance

    Am i alone in thinking ordering a crowd to RUN on hearing any suspicious noise is eventually going to cause as many causalities as any actual terrorist incident. So far in London we have two crowd stampedes one causing many more injures than the failed bomb and one spreading to the streets after what turned out to be a false alarm. What ever happened to evacuate QUICKLY AND CALMLY ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Ransley View Post
    Am i alone in thinking ordering a crowd to RUN on hearing any suspicious noise is eventually going to cause as many causalities as any actual terrorist incident. So far in London we have two crowd stampedes one causing many more injures than the failed bomb and one spreading to the streets after what turned out to be a false alarm. What ever happened to evacuate QUICKLY AND CALMLY ?
    I think that quick and calm goes out of the window if someone starts shooting or blowing things up, Tony.
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    I just think encouraging crowds to run up or down stairs is the equivalent of shouting fire in a crowded theatre it will eventually result in more casualties than the terrorists will inflict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushfella View Post
    I think that quick and calm goes out of the window if someone starts shooting or blowing things up, Tony.
    Practically yes. But as official advice? I agree with Tony.

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    Could I encourage everyone to take a look at citizenAID - http://citizenaid.org/?

    I have their Pocket Guide and have downloaded the app.

    I appreciate that some of the subject matter is not appropriate to young children.
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    The advice should be "if you are built like a brick ****house get together with other brick ****houses grab hold of the ****head wannabe terrorist and kick the proverbial **** out of him before the police arrive. Seemed to work at Glasgow Airport a few years back.

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    I suspect there is a balance between preventing injury in unnecessary panic and preveting further injury in an actual incident.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernwood View Post
    The advice should be "if you are built like a brick ****house get together with other brick ****houses grab hold of the ****head wannabe terrorist and kick the proverbial **** out of him before the police arrive. Seemed to work at Glasgow Airport a few years back.
    I am built like the proverbial brick ****house but I am not sure I have the guts to do that.

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    I suspect there is a balance between preventing injury in unnecessary panic and preveting further injury in an actual incident.
    The sensible implication of what the Government says is to run a short distance to a good hiding place, in particular because shooting a running man is said not to be very easy (not that I've tried!) I don't think they implied "run in all directions and panic", but that's what people will do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulE View Post
    Could I encourage everyone to take a look at citizenAID - http://citizenaid.org/?

    I have their Pocket Guide and have downloaded the app.

    I appreciate that some of the subject matter is not appropriate to young children.
    That is a vaguely useful resource...

    Alternatively if you want complete insanity:
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lions-Tiger.../dp/194560476X - a "gentle introduction" to terrorism?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Williams View Post
    The sensible implication of what the Government says is to run a short distance to a good hiding place, in particular because shooting a running man is said not to be very easy (not that I've tried!) I don't think they implied "run in all directions and panic", but that's what people will do.
    Reality check how many terrorists shooting incidents have their been in Britain since 2000 ? How many loud unexpected but harmless noises have there been in Britain since 2000 ? Is encouraging a hyped up crowd to run a safe thing to do ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Ransley View Post
    Reality check how many terrorists shooting incidents have their been in Britain since 2000 ? How many loud unexpected but harmless noises have there been in Britain since 2000 ? Is encouraging a hyped up crowd to run a safe thing to do ?
    Did you actually read what I wrote?

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    For run read move quickly to cover. It doesn't mean run down the middle of the street shouting I'm a teapot!
    If it is a shooter then the optimum would be to move quickly to cover then crawl somewhere further so the shooter hasn't seen where you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Ransley View Post
    Reality check how many terrorists shooting incidents have their been in Britain since 2000 ? How many loud unexpected but harmless noises have there been in Britain since 2000 ? Is encouraging a hyped up crowd to run a safe thing to do ?
    No idea, Tony. No idea at all. However, we are becoming increasingly paranoid.

    I get lots of well meaning but tiresome caution from my father every time I go abroad. I need to be careful, watch out for trouble etc.. I try to explain that Brussels, Paris, Amsterdam etc., are no more dangerous than London, or Birmingham or Edinburgh, but he won't have it. The media have a lot to answer for. They are doing the terrorists' job for them.
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    The only thing I know for sure about this - in the context of my Scouts is - if there was an incident; they wouldn't notice it and they certainly wouldn't hear me because they never pay attention.

    So its all a bit moot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Williams View Post
    Did you actually read what I wrote?
    Yes and I should have made clear I wasn't disputing it particularly your last comment before questioning how many terrorist shootings there had been in the UK sorry. I suspect people wouldn't need to be told to run from a shooter, a crowd might need to be told not to run down stairs or into a narrow corridor.

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