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    TSA "must" know how many groups don't have GSL's because this year's census request was sent to GSL's except where a group doesn't have one. So that information clearly exists. The bigger question is whether anyone actually chooses to read it and act on it. Having said that even if they do, it probably goes something along the lines of CC's being told to chase up their DC's who have a number of groups without GSL's or other missing District roles, at which point DC's will no doubt (and not unreasonably) reply that they are working on it but don't have a magic volunteer tree, and so it all goes to sleep again.
    Does anyone know what's going on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mang21 View Post
    TSA "must" know how many groups don't have GSL's because this year's census request was sent to GSL's except where a group doesn't have one. So that information clearly exists. The bigger question is whether anyone actually chooses to read it and act on it. Having said that even if they do, it probably goes something along the lines of CC's being told to chase up their DC's who have a number of groups without GSL's or other missing District roles, at which point DC's will no doubt (and not unreasonably) reply that they are working on it but don't have a magic volunteer tree, and so it all goes to sleep again.
    TSA can tell which groups have GSLs from the data on Compass (at least they can see which "groups that keep Compass up-to-date" don't have GSLs).

    I wonder what you think the alternative actions are that they could take?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mang21 View Post
    TSA "must" know how many groups don't have GSL's because this year's census request was sent to GSL's except where a group doesn't have one. So that information clearly exists. The bigger question is whether anyone actually chooses to read it and act on it. Having said that even if they do, it probably goes something along the lines of CC's being told to chase up their DC's who have a number of groups without GSL's or other missing District roles, at which point DC's will no doubt (and not unreasonably) reply that they are working on it but don't have a magic volunteer tree, and so it all goes to sleep again.
    For several years I had someone from Gillwell "chasing up" the accounts of the Group where I used to be GSL. had to keep pointing out that I was no longer the GSL so i am not too convinced that they actually look at the correct information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hippysurfer View Post
    TSA can tell which groups have GSLs from the data on Compass (at least they can see which "groups that keep Compass up-to-date" don't have GSLs).

    I wonder what you think the alternative actions are that they could take?
    Ultimately start closing groups, and districts for that matter down, where the gaps in management structure mean that the three prongs of our safety system (vetting, training and management) are sufficiently weakened as to pose risks to young people. Obviously a temporary gap between appointments in one group is coverable by the DC etc. If you've got a DC trying to cover ten groups in a district for a prolonged period, then the chances of rogue practices setting in becomes that much higher. No-one wants to see that sort of withdrawal of provision but on the other hand you can't long term have a safety system which isn't actually enforced - same really applies to training.
    Does anyone know what's going on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mang21 View Post
    Ultimately start closing groups, and districts for that matter down, where the gaps in management structure mean that the three prongs of our safety system (vetting, training and management) are sufficiently weakened as to pose risks to young people. Obviously a temporary gap between appointments in one group is coverable by the DC etc. If you've got a DC trying to cover ten groups in a district for a prolonged period, then the chances of rogue practices setting in becomes that much higher. No-one wants to see that sort of withdrawal of provision but on the other hand you can't long term have a safety system which isn't actually enforced - same really applies to training.
    TSA can't do that!! _ Think what it would do to the membership numbers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBadBaloo View Post
    TSA can't do that!! _ Think what it would do to the membership numbers!
    They wouldn't need to. They'd just put in place an enormous parent rota.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pa_broon74 View Post
    They wouldn't need to. They'd just put in place an enormous parent rota.

    Perhaps they could pay more people to work at a local level rather than sitting in London messing with badge requirements and inventing branding that we don't need.

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