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    Just had our capitation/ams bill through, and our (group) bill for young leaders is almost £200.
    these YLs are a mix of explorer scouts who pay subs to explorer scout units, Some are D of E, some are neither D of E or attending an explorer scout unit, and we also have a 13 year old scout, who has just started D of E but is on the scout census.

    Is it standard for groups/sections to pay/subsidise exploiters scout units?

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    We only pay for YLs who aren't members of another (normal) ESU as the ESU would pay the capitation from the subs.

    Capitation isn't payable (by anyone) on DofE volunteers who aren't members of another (normal) ESU.

    looks like you are being "done" and I would complain and say the numbers they've sent are wrong.
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    If they are paying subs to Explorers then capitation should come from the Unit.

    If they are *just* a YL (i.e. are not an ES in any other capacity, only that), the Group paying isn't unreasonable.

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    most YL who are not ES are on DofE.
    Is there a factsheet/info anywhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard T View Post
    most YL who are not ES are on DofE.
    Is there a factsheet/info anywhere?
    A yl who is not an ES must an on DofE.

    There is no middle ground

    if they are volunteering in a section and not there as part of the DofE, they are explorer scouts.

    If they are attending a unit, then that unit should be covering their AMS.
    If they are not attending a unit, then the district YL unit should be arranging their AMS in collaboration with the groups. (if no formal YL unit, then the group and the DESC need to work it out between them... )
    If they are DofE, AMS is not due.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kastor View Post
    looks like you are being "done" and I would complain and say the numbers they've sent are wrong.
    Though the numbers charged for are based on are the numbers supplied by the group as part of the census. So I would expect district are only invoicing for what they've been told. Not to say there isn't an error somewhere along the line, or a misunderstanding of who should be counted how and when in census and what the implications of that are, but "done" implies some underhand or nefarious activity, and that ain't necessarily so.
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    For what its worth, the process we go through to get to the right number/allocation of YL and who is paying for who is

    1. At the start of January, as District YL coordinator I email each of the GSLs telling them who I think the YLs are in their groups (10 groups), which I believe to be active in an Explorer Unit (which that Unit will pay for), which I believe to be there for DofE or Girl Guiding only, with no intention of remaining after their 3/6/12 months (who don't need to pay AMS) and who are "only" YLs, who the Group will have to pay for. They are told that if I don't hear from them, they will be invoiced for those in the latter category.

    2. The GSLs check the details and let me know any amendments (speed of response varies!)

    3. I cross check the list with those who are active in the Explorer units. If any who I thought were in a unit aren't, then I let the GSL know, as they will be added to their invoice. Again, they have the opportunity to respond if they think I'm wrong.

    4. The Census is then completed with only those who are "only" YLs in our Young Leader unit. I send an email to the treasurer telling them how many extras to add to each group in the District.

    Its a pain, but having done it this way for 3 years and not having had any complaints from the Groups I guess it works. Other than chasing the last couple of GSLs, the sudoku puzzle of who is in which category doesn't take long.

    Note - what I don't do is cross-correlate this with what the Groups have actually entered on their returns in the for-information section. Life's too short.
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    I suspect RichardT's District has taken the information from the "statistical purposes" section of the Group Census Return and added these people to the Census.

    The amount the District should be paying for is those YLs recorded on the District return for the District YL Unit, not those declared by Groups for statistical purposes only.


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    This is an area of perennial debate and confusion at census time.

    Itís not possible to comment on your specific situation without your list of list of names and breakdown of the bill that youíve received.

    However, it may help if I explain a few areas of potential confusion and our local process.

    ES YLs are members of the District (not Groups) and so responsibility for collecting Annual Membership Subscription (AMS) from YLs is the District's alone.

    Groups are under no obligation to pay AMS for their ES YLs and Districts should not assume that they can just bill Groups.

    Some Groups may voluntarily choose to pay AMS for their ES YLs, directly or indirectly, but this is at the Group's sole discretion.

    ES YLs will be members of the Districtís Young Leader Unit and may optionally choose to attend another ESU for other ES activities.
    At census time, we swap lists with the DESC to agree those 14-18 years olds working with us.

    They may be:

    1. ES YLs who also are active members of another ESU and pay monthly subs to District;
    2. ES YLs who do not attend any other ESU and so do not pay monthly subs anywhere; and
    3. DoE/GG volunteers who are not members of TSA (we don't currently have any of these).

    Just to further complicate this, some of our YLs in 2 above go to an ESU in a different District i.e. they are not on our DESC's census as members but should be on our neighbouring District's census as members.

    Once the list of YLs is agreed, our DESC arranges to contact those in list 2 above and ask them to pay their AMS directly to District as a one-off payment (currently £42.50).

    Those in list 1 will have already paid their AMS to District as part of their monthly subs.

    The Group then contacts the parents of all our YLs in list 1 and 2 and offers to reimburse their AMS as we value their contribution. This gives us an opportunity to subtly explain to parents that all YLs are Explorer Scouts and that being a YL isn't free and is a commitment on both sides. Some but not all parents choose to claim their refund.

    As we generally have around 15 YLs, this represents a cost to the Group of potentially >£600, so itís something we need to get right.

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    this subject tends to be a contentious issue in most districts.

    there are many wishes at play.

    foremost among these is the desire of district not to pay AMS. district is responsible for collecting the AMS of district members, which is now zero. So that's good news for district. however, it may have anything from a few dozen to 2 or 3 hundred explorers (including YLs). District is responsible for collecting the AMS from all of these. Most districts looking at this will say: Oh ******! And then look to get somebody else to collect; after all, district just wants a number and the money. Idea! the groups go round collecting AMS or do it through the subs or some such like! So districts want to off-load this on to groups. Hmmmm! Why not have a local rule that says YL are primarily there to support groups so let's enforce a rule that says groups must sponsor the AMS of all YLs working with them in full. Add it on to your group's AMS and the DT will do the split and check against the census entry we have for them from the DESC/ESLs. Brilliant. No running around chasing YLs far off in wild places in Hull and Sutherland. Furthermore, district will make sure it imposes the levy on the group so it can be certain it'll get its money. Meanwhile groups run around to get the money knowing that they can't levy a subscription on their YLs so are resigned to paying this 'sponsorship' from group funds. DT says add it to your group payment and send me the check. easy peasy for district! And district will use its census numbers so if you haven't cancelled toby and chardonnay who left for uni some 9 months ago then....tough there's another 2 ghosts added to your bill. And district will always insist on its numbers being correct.

    No district likes paying AMS; that has always been the case, more so than groups. District will always look to offset this money and the cost and trouble of collecting it.

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    I just double checked and the census returns for each Section have on them two sets of boxes in the for statistical purposes section. Once set is for Explorer Scout Young Leaders and the other is other 14-18 helpers and specifically says e.g. those helping for DofE. What did whoever did your Group's census return put in these boxes? If they entered all the DofE volunteers in the Explorer Scout Young Leaders section then that will explain why you are being charged for them as though they were YLs.

    As to being charged for all the YLs regardless of if they attend a regular ESU, I suspect this is a consequence of HQ deciding Districts can no longer ask for members names and details as part of census which means its now impossible to just take the census returns from all Groups and all ESUs and use them to work out those Explorers whom appear as both a YL at a Group and as an Explorer on a regular ESU's return. Our District had to separately ask each Group for a list of the YLs working in their Group so that our DESC could work out who was acting solely as a YL and were not members of a regular ESU as whilst we do maintain a nominal list of the YLs at District level this very hard to keep up to date.
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    Apparently district have charged for YLs irrespective of if they are paying subs to Explorers or not for quite a while, the justification was that Leaders are charged AMS/capitation and young leaders are part of the leader team, that and Explorers being short of money at one time
    Now Adult Leaders are not charged AMS/capitation and as a result the YP rate has shot up, in effect the excuse for levying YLs is no longer there.#

    In the Group we have the following types of Young leader in the broadest sense of the word ( not the Scout definition of YL)

    1: Older Scouts who have just started the DofE scheme through School, these are typically age 13 and up ( ie age 13 upto 14.5 ) who appear on the Scout census, and pay subs to the Scout section
    2: Explorer Scout Young Leaders, who are also enrolled in the DofE scheme , again through School - these attend Local, that is District Explorer Scouts and pay their subs to the ESU
    3: Same as above, but these YLs attend an Explorer Scout unit that is out of District , and in another county, paying Subs to their local ESU
    4: Explorer Scout YLs- these are not enrolled in DofE and pay their subs to local District Explorers
    5: Explorer Scout YLs- these are not enrolled in DofE and pay their subs to another District/County Explorer Scout unit
    6: Young leaders who do not attend any Explorer Scout provision, and their only contact with Scouting is as a Young leader

    Most fall into Category's 2-5

    I'm guessing that Groups should not be propping up and effectively subsidising ESUs as they are separate entities, no more than we should be topping up/subsidising a local football team if they provided leaders?

    Also is there a link/factsheet anywhere that states DofE should not pay AMS/Capitation/Subs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard T View Post
    Apparently district have charged for YLs irrespective of if they are paying subs to Explorers or not for quite a while...
    This sounds like District are taking AMS twice: once from the YL and then once again from the Group. If this is the case, it's very wrong and I'd be asking for a refund going back as far as I could find evidence of this happening.

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard T View Post
    Also is there a link/factsheet anywhere that states DofE should not pay AMS/Capitation/Subs?
    I can't find anything that explicitly says that but it's crystal clear from many sources that YP who volunteer through the DoE Award scheme for the fixed period of time the Award requires are not members of TSA and that only members of TSA count towards AMS (the clue's in the name).

    See all these and more:

    https://census.scouts.org.uk/census/...-approvers.pdf
    https://census.scouts.org.uk/census/assets/2018-faq.pdf
    https://census.scouts.org.uk/census/...8-guidance.pdf

    https://members.scouts.org.uk/suppor...94&moduleID=10
    https://members.scouts.org.uk/factsheets/FS120303.pdf
    https://members.scouts.org.uk/docume...%20Leaders.pdf


    Also, I'm sure that the Info Centre will confirm that by email if asked nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pstretch View Post
    This sounds like District are taking AMS twice: once from the YL and then once again from the Group. If this is the case, it's very wrong and I'd be asking for a refund going back as far as I could find evidence of this happening.
    I'm guessing there are few things going on here and I suspect this district is not the only one 'misbehaving' on this issue. There are a lot of grey issues here so it's not that easy to be absolutely clear in suggesting some people have been charged twice.

    Just digressing for a moment: is it possible for my group to increase subscriptions from £15pp per month this financial year to £75pp per month next year given that our costs are fairly settled and expected to rise by no more than 3% next year? Where is the rule that says we can't?

    Well we know what the answers are: yes and none, respectively. we can charge what we charge! okay sometime the group as a charity is potentially going to come up against charity issues to do with accumulation of funds but 'overcharging' isn't forbidden even if morally wrong.

    getting back on topic: so this overcharge may be a 'mistake' but the district could come up with a range of reasons for it; being 'wrong' is not the issue, it's trying to prove it's against rules.

    what it does show is that some districts have a very poor grasp of costs and budgeting in the explorer section and that responsibility for this is probably in the hands of just a few people, certainly not something that would be taken on by the DEC or by a particular finance sub-committee for explorers. I suggest most district simply guess the level of subscriptions for explorers.

    let's take a typical 'district' with 4 units, of which 1 is group-attached and another specialises in a particular aspect of the programme, say water activities. They all meet in different HQs. Do you believe that the operating costs of all the units will be same? They could be reasonably close only if all units charge extra in addition to subscriptions, which are simply used to cover basic unit costs. However, even then close will not be exact. And then what about facilities costs? We could charge similar for 2 units using 'district facilities' that are similar, but of the others, one could be charged more because their equipment has a significant storage cost and the other might not be charged at all because its partner group could waive all costs (which is allowed). Not even taken into account any impact on costs caused by varying numbers. And what about those districts who allow explorers to attend any unit at any time? (Is it fair that someone who attends all 4 units pays the same as someone who only attends 1?) Okay so some costs such as AMS are fixed across all units, but does anyone believe that subs can really be the same in all 4 units?

    Obviously these issues require some work to bring in a 'fair' subscription level for all, if at all possible, or even to get some convergence, because no one really wants to have a complicated subscription system that requires a degree in maths to understand. Districts don't want to do this, even if they have the resources. As we know, in general their approach tends to be just to throw a uniform blanket over things and literally take a guess! Of course many add in a 'contingency' and guard against losses, so overcharging is not unusual.

    Districts generally charge flat fees and delegate responsibility for costs and gathering theses 'subscriptions' from groups. Districts are prepared to accept responsibility for explorers but they want groups to support a lot of the cost; hence the sort of behaviour that we are seeing.

    In my district i suspect about 15-20% of explorer costs (that's everything AMS, facilities, activities, &c) are effectively paid by groups. In the district next to where i live, the district actually levies the groups directly for AMS for the YLs working within them. It's actually not a request but a demand! They totally ignore the fact that such 'sponsorship' is the sole decision of each group's GEC. It's simply a local rule: pay or else we'll take your YLs off our register. (I don't think that's ever happened but my view would be for the groups to discuss the policy with district and it should come over as a 'suggestion to support', not a demand.)

    I can't find anything that explicitly says that but it's crystal clear from many sources that YP who volunteer through the DoE Award scheme for the fixed period of time the Award requires are not members of TSA and that only members of TSA count towards AMS (the clue's in the name).
    AMS, as you and others have correctly said is a levy on members, currently just youth members. You should not levy a subscription or membership charges on non-members, such as DofE candidates supporting your group. However, there's no rule that says DofE candidates can get everything for free. You would not be wrong to levy a charge for a particular activity where the candidate was taking a part and was in addition to the agreement you made with them at the experience's outset. Most groups do not charge DofE candidates and absorb any reasonable costs in lieu of the support they receive.

    Districts charging AMS on DofE candidates supporting groups (who are not members) is totally wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard T View Post
    Just had our capitation/ams bill through, and our (group) bill for young leaders is almost £200.
    Opening with an aside: My landline phone bill has just come in; it's £135.72. As this bill includes costs incurred by me chatting to you on this forum, I propose you should pay it for me. I'll happily take a cheque - pay to tarquin merryweather, 6 rockchester cottages, auchtermuchty. thank you.

    now is that damned cheeky or what?

    but actually it's not that far away from the attitude some districts are taking by delegating responsibility for payment of AMS to groups by applying a 'shotgun levy'!

    (3 years ago I was given an 'invoice' for £245 for my then 7 YLs from district and my group is the next to smallest in the district. Pay up or else!)

    these YLs are a mix of explorer scouts who pay subs to explorer scout units,
    nothing wrong with levying subs on explorers. YLs are an integral part of explorers. however, if they are paying subs to an explorer unit, which includes contributions to cover AMS, and they are then being levied AMS in their YL role, then that is clearly wrong. it seems as though someone, likely to be in a district role has little knowledge of how explorers is structured and operated.

    (Not the first time scouting has looked to put someone without the necessary skills and knowledge in a role simply because they feel they're 'a good un' for the job and their face fits.)

    Some are D of E,
    AMS is a membership subscription. you must be a youth member of TSA for it to be levied. DofE candidates undertake their voluntary section by acting as if they were a YL for a limited time period.

    But don't they get to enjoy scouting just like any other explorer? No. they are strictly limited to undertaking their DofE voluntary section tasks.

    Ah yes, but while they're doing their DofE in scouting they can join in with the other explorers and going canoeing occasionally, can't they? No. they can't join in with parts of the explorer programme; only those YL bits which relate to their DofE voluntary task. Mainstream explorer and other scouting activities are not open to them.

    They are to strictly undertake the agreed programme to support completing the DofE voluntary section within the given time period for the award level. They cannot operate outside this. Their operating authority must support the agreed programme and provide the necessary cover. They must not overstep the agreed service period.

    (Of course if they want to do more they can by becoming an explorer scout at which point they become liable for membership and subscription fees.)

    some are neither D of E or attending an explorer scout unit,
    so what are they then!!??

    and we also have a 13 year old scout, who has just started D of E but is on the scout census.
    14 is the starting age, however, younger people in the same age cohort can start on DofE. This happens in schools, however, DofE is a programme for explorer scouts and you must be at least 13.5 years to join explorers. You cannot undertake DofE through scouting if you are a member of the scout section, though you can do it through school if you are a young person in the same year group as 14 year olds. However, that does not allow you to undertake the voluntary section as if a YL in scouting but through your school.

    Is it standard for groups/sections to pay/subsidise exploiters scout units?
    yes they are allowed to do this type 'sponsorship' provided it meets the general charitable aims of the group. this is not just restricted to explorers/YLs. As long as this type of support is bringing in some 'benefit' and certainly is not detrimental then it is okay. It is a matter solely for the GEC, the trustees of the charity. The district or anyone else cannot impose 'sponsorship' on the group.

    (General support for an ESU would follow along similar lines, in cash or kind, but one would expect to see this in a partnership agreement with something reciprocal coming from the ESU to the group.)

    But what you're asking is do groups have to financially support or 'sponsor' the YLs who support the group's sections? the answer is a very categorical NO. However, they can chose to support or sponsor and that decision is reserved solely for the GEC and no one else.

    i can't say what happens in my district but i can give an example of a similar operation in another district I've done some work in.

    all explorers pay a subscription (by SO i think but it might be through OSM) to the district. they pay as follows:

    an explorer attending one of the 4 ESUs pays £35 per quarter. (I don't know exactly what they pay now but I've just uniformly extrapolated the charges when I was there; so not way out.) This subscription covers the basic programme - camps and other activities are extra at cost - and includes a 1/4 contribution to AMS which is estimated on the previous year's AMS. (Over the year it's never more than £1 or £2 out and there's contingency in general funds.) Hence over the year they pay £140, which includes AMS (say £40, national, county, district).

    an explorer attending one of the 4 ESUs but also undertaking a YL role in the district pays £25 per quarter. This cover the basic ESU programme as above but does not include a contribution towards AMS. Over the year they pay £100. However, this is dependant on the group they work in as a YL 'sponsoring' them in full for the AMS element. District levies this on the group which is where I disagree. It should ask for a contribution, in full or part, from the group. Ask nicely as most groups are happy to pay, demand and you cause upset in some. So in total with their 'sponsorship' from the group, they pay £140.

    an explorer who does not join in with the main explorer programme but takes part solely as a YL, pays a sub of something like £5 a quarter, which is simply a notional cost to cover YL training costs, which they are able to access and encouraged to do so.

    (YLs are required to register and also external DofE candidates. Once they are on the register, they will stay on it and groups are levied for AMS. It's up to the groups to keep the register up to date. If a YL leaves and you or they doesn't inform district (which of course they will if they drop out of an ESU too) then AMS is levied.)

    I don't know what happens if you bypass this system and don't register a 'secret YL'? i suspect you'll probably get away with paying all this AMS! yipee! However, get caught, especially if there's an incident or accident and you'll be without cover and your soft bits will be exposed!

    I think the charging system in my other district is about a fair as you can get. I still have reservations. Not sure the budgeting and costs are managed well. there are still some variations within explorers. Don't think the DEC is really acting as the section's management, too stand-offish. (Though that might be a good thing for them!).

    Overall, i still am of the opinion that district still looks to offset some of the costs of explorers on to group by enacting local rules that allows them to delegate charges to groups and in some cases even get groups to fund things such as facilities free of charge for explorers. (I recall some years ago one ESU who basically moved around the district for free facilities use. so if your group wanted its 'own' ESU it could have one provided you didn't charge a licence fee for facilities and equipment usage and such like. I did note that subscriptions on explorers never went down when they got stuff for free. district were always happy when this happened!)

    More cake district?

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