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    Yr Wyddfa

    Bit of advice needed. I would like to run a camp in Wales and want to take the Scouts up to the top of Snowden.
    Our permit holder is only good for 800m. Is there a SASU thing where I contact the county and ask and pay for a local permit holder to come along?
    How should I go about it?

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    When are you planning on doing this camp?

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    May be worth getting in touch with the guys at Yr Hafod (Scout Activity Centre) as they will be able to put you in touch with the right people.

    https://www.scoutadventures.org.uk/centre/yr-hafod
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    Given the nature of Snowdon, your Permit Holder could contact their Assessor/DC and see if they will give an exception, i.e. Terrain One summer plus Terrain 2 Snowdon summer via the Llanberis path only, or somesuch.

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    How many Scouts are you taking up?

    You will possibly need more than one T2 permit holder depending on numbers of walkers and whether the T2 is Leadership or Supervisory. Max 24 people on a Supervisory, max 8 on a Leadership (including YPs, adults and Permit Holder).
    To get more kids we need more adults - are we getting the message yet?

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    I might be free, have T2 summer? leadership when are you thinking of? also what county are you in? Lots of counties run organised trips to the hills and you might find you can save yourself some work by jumping on the back of that. our county SASU is called invicta mountain club, look them up.
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    You could always take them on the train!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    You could always take them on the train!
    Bit pricey, and walking from the cafe to the actual summit is definitely T2 hillwalking per the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Williams View Post
    Bit pricey, and walking from the cafe to the actual summit is definitely T2 hillwalking per the rules.
    Oh yes, tricky flight of steps them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    Oh yes, tricky flight of steps them!
    They can be quite slippy/icey at times. But in all seriousness it's still hillwalking over 800m and not adjacent to a road, and it wouldn't take much for a Leader unaware of the risks to have their YP straying onto Crib Goch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Williams View Post
    Bit pricey, and walking from the cafe to the actual summit is definitely T2 hillwalking per the rules.
    It really isn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    You could always take them on the train!
    that was my thought,

    also, https://members.scouts.org.uk/factsheets/FS120415.pdf

    if you don't have the skills and/or numbers to get up snowdon, maybe do something else? snowdon is ok but there's plenty of other stuff to blow their minds. I took my wife and kids for a walk around llyn idwal last year. She is 38 and has travelled pretty extensively. She was certain that it was one of the most amazing places that she had ever been.

    Snowdon, Scafell Pike or Ben Nevis
    All Scout activities, be they in the mountains oranywhere else, should involve young people intheir planning and execution. The leader’s role isadvisory and intervention is only necessary whena matter of safety or impact upon the enjoyment ofothers or the environment is involved. However, itis important to remember that the knowledge andexperience of young people is limited and theymay, for example, have only heard of the highestmountains in Wales, England and Scotland. Ifasked where they want to go for their nextexpedition this is all they can suggest but howmany leaders then hide behind this inadequateknowledge to justify yet another slog up the touristpath to Ben Nevis from Fort William? We mustbeware of devolving decisions to young peoplewhen they have inadequate knowledge on whichto base a good choice. The subtle leader might,just in passing of course, suggest that they couldtake the train to Corrour, get out there and walkback to Fort William across country and via GlenNevis with an overnight camp to add furtherinterest.

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    As above some common sense. If you're only using the tourist path, speak to whoever issued your T1 permits and ask them for permission to do snowdon which I'm sure they will be more than happy to discuss with you. The SA rules allow for flexibility and granting specific permission, so why complicate it

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiftypete View Post
    It really isn't
    In what way isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Williams View Post
    They can be quite slippy/icey at times. But in all seriousness it's still hillwalking over 800m and not adjacent to a road, and it wouldn't take much for a Leader unaware of the risks to have their YP straying onto Crib Goch.
    Ambling from a train up a few steps in close proximity to a cafe is not hillwalking!
    Last edited by Kev; 14-03-2018 at 04:22 PM.

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