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    Gender Pay Gap Data

    Something that has amused me today:
    SCOUT ASSOCIATION(THE)
    The average man at this company is paid 1.1% less than the average woman
    The average pay gap in the UK is 18.4% in favour of men.
    Women make up 50% of higher-paid jobs and 50.6% of lower-paid jobs
    This company is one of 14% of companies that pay men less than women
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    The average man at this company is paid 4.8% less than the average woman
    The average pay gap in the UK is 18.4% in favour of men.
    Women make up 75.8% of higher-paid jobs and 72.6% of lower-paid jobs
    This company is one of 14% of companies that pay men less than women
    Aren't statistics fun

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    Clearly the girl guides need to take immediate steps to address their equal opportunities failures, and the men in both organisations have a right to a pay rise.

    Opps! Sorry didn't ask for the source where can we check these statements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Ransley View Post
    Clearly the girl guides need to take immediate steps to address their equal opportunities failures, and the men in both organisations have a right to a pay rise.

    Opps! Sorry didn't ask for the source where can we check these statements.
    I was waiting on that

    https://gender-pay-gap.service.gov.u...8qoGOR1w%21%21 <<TSA
    https://gender-pay-gap.service.gov.u...JIXkq7oA%21%21 << Girlguiding

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    Most people would read the mean as the average, not the median. Therefore, using your links, at TSA womenís mean hourly rate is 3.1% lower than menís and at GG womenís mean hourly rate is 0.2% lower than menís (so about the same). Therefore it is TSA that need to take action. That said, there is a curious discrepency in bonus levels at GG but their document blames it on long service awards.

    And no, I hate statistics!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    Most people would read the mean as the average, not the median. Therefore, using your links, at TSA womenís mean hourly rate is 3.1% lower than menís and at GG womenís mean hourly rate is 0.2% lower than menís (so about the same). Therefore it is TSA that need to take action. That said, there is a curious discrepency in bonus levels at GG. I would guess the top bosses on big bonuses are all men.

    And no, I hate statistics!
    That was perhaps part of the point of the thread, that the statistics can look like a damning headline, but actually, digging at the numbers, it can be less of an issue. Lies, damned lies and statistics.

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    Even discounting the different way of assessing pay there is a clear bias against employing men in the girl guides.

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    I feel that too much of this is based on pay, when most of the problem is actually due to progression (so pay is the same for men and women at the same level, but women aren't at the top of organisations).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASLChris View Post
    I feel that too much of this is based on pay, when most of the problem is actually due to progression (so pay is the same for men and women at the same level, but women aren't at the top of organisations).
    Exactly so. Paying people different money for doing the same work has been illegal for years now. Discriminating against people who apply for jobs on the basis of characteristics like gender has also been illegal for years.

    Personally I am shocked that we, as a country, are prepared to tolerate a situation where 49% of people earn less than the average wage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihatecamping View Post
    Personally I am shocked that we, as a country, are prepared to tolerate a situation where 49% of people earn less than the average wage.
    My brain hurts, I can't work out if you've forgotten a smiley or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ianw View Post
    My brain hurts, I can't work out if you've forgotten a smiley or not.
    I have the feeling that if there was no smiley, it would be a lot higher than 49% that earn less than the mean (or even median) salary.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nevynxxx View Post
    I have the feeling that if there was no smiley, it would be a lot higher than 49% that earn less than the mean (or even median) salary.....
    I think you might need to double check the definition of median

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianw View Post
    My brain hurts, I can't work out if you've forgotten a smiley or not.
    That's why I said 'average'. I could have said mean, mode or median, but that would be too simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiftypete View Post
    I think you might need to double check the definition of median
    Have a look at the first graph in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income...United_Kingdom in the "Post tax household income" section, and you'll see what I mean. Mean is higher than median, so there should be more people below it....so it's easier to be below the mean than the median.... I may be making very little sense. I got 15% on the last stats exam I took.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nevynxxx View Post
    Have a look at the first graph in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income...United_Kingdom in the "Post tax household income" section, and you'll see what I mean. Mean is higher than median, so there should be more people below it....so it's easier to be below the mean than the median.... I may be making very little sense. I got 15% on the last stats exam I took.
    All true and your previous statement would have been fine apart from the bit about median in brackets

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihatecamping View Post
    Score one for IHC
    Tsh. You think you get a point for being deliberately vague? I think not!
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