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    Quote Originally Posted by magician View Post
    make everyone use mfa. It is negligence not to.
    mfa ???????
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    Quote Originally Posted by roger-uk View Post
    mfa ???????
    Multi-factor authentication.... The old "something you know and something you have"

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    Quote Originally Posted by roger-uk View Post
    mfa ???????
    MFA is also known as 2FA or Two-Factor authentication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magician View Post
    Make everyone use MFA. It is negligence not to.
    While I totally agree about the benefits of 2-factor / multi-factor authentication, take a look at the other comments on this thread and consider how realistic this is.

    With a very diverse user base in many groups, it can be pretty difficult to implement any coherent IT policy. If you're having trouble persuading a group to adopt O365 or Google apps, then insisting on MFA may be a step too far. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

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    Also can be seen as overkill depending on what you are storing behind the password. We will not be storing personal data via email or on cloud starage except OSM which does have 2FA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingstonCubber View Post
    While I totally agree about the benefits of 2-factor / multi-factor authentication, take a look at the other comments on this thread and consider how realistic this is.

    With a very diverse user base in many groups, it can be pretty difficult to implement any coherent IT policy. If you're having trouble persuading a group to adopt O365 or Google apps, then insisting on MFA may be a step too far. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

    I would argue that non-tech savvy users are exactly the sort of people that MFA protects. Introduce it as the carrot (We aren't asking you to remember anything else, we can have a less stringent password policy) as opposed to the stick.

    I am huge fan of the "Perfect is the enemy of good" mantra, especially with regards security, but given the sheer scale of password reuse attacks, MFA is non-negotiable for me on public facing systems holding personal data.

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    we made it compulsory at work for g-suite and everybody figured it our pretty much immediately.

    It isn't too difficult. Get sms, enter code.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magician View Post
    Make everyone use MFA. It is negligence not to.
    Negligence? A bit harsh, surely.


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    Quote Originally Posted by garethhowell View Post
    Negligence? A bit harsh, surely.
    Indeed, I think eventually we'll get to 2FA, but some guidance and strong advice about passwords will be a good first step.

    At work you can enforce such policies. With volunteers, it's very different (like it or not), and where this technology is seen to just 'complicate things', I really think it's about making it easy to adopt, get everyone on the same page then you can start introduce additional layers of protection if needs be.

    I also agree that GDPR is not our primary reason for doing this. It has, however, been a good kick-in-the-ass to finally get this stuff sorted out for the very reasons you've mentioned, people leaving etc.

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    Gareth, have you found onedrive to be reliable? My experience of it over the past few years on and off have been less than great... in particular, syncing and availability of files has been a big issue.

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    Gareth, have you found onedrive to be reliable? My experience of it over the past few years on and off have been less than great... in particular, syncing and availability of files has been a big issue.
    I have mixed views of OneDrive.
    I used it at work for the last three years and it evolved a lot over that time. Itís evolution was significantly complicated by Microsoft choosing to market OneDrive and OneDrive for Business as being the same, when in fact they were completely different under the hood.
    By the end it was pretty solid though.

    The main issue I have had is with the OneDrive folders associated with O365 Groups. As you probably know, this is all a veneer on Sharepoint sites. For some unknown (but widely reported) reason, some sites fail to appear in the list when viewing OneDrive online and you have to revert to an older UI.

    In summary, itís not as solid as Dropbox. However, itís good enough.

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    I set up gsuite yesterday. I was up and running for free on custom domain in less than a day and only about an hour's work total.

    Very very slick these days. Hugely impressed.



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    Comparing onedrive and dropbox is a bit like comparing Tesco and Lidl

    Onedrive is part of a much more complex integrated suite - as gareth said, a veneer on Sharepoint. It links in to the whole O365 package, and allows you to use one system to manage your emails, documents, etc (a bit like gsuite). At work we have focussed on sharepoint rather than onedrive.

    Dropbox is basically just a file storage and sharing facility.

    We went down the o365 route because it integrates neatly with microsoft office programmes on the PC. I've also had issues with gmail accounts synching properly in outlook, and i like to use outlook to get all my emails into one place to deal with.

    The biggest issue we have had at work with cloud storage is synching, but thats because our internet connection is dreadful. That would be the same whichever package we used.
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