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    NAN Form updated

    The NAN form - available at www.scouts.org.uk/formnan - has been updated.

    The form now asks
    - Names of adults attending (with membership no.)
    - Activities (please list. those requiring permits or qualifications, providing details of the activity leader or provider)

    The new form does not appear to have been consulted upon, or announced.

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    The box for names of adults attending isn't anywhere big enough. They should have put that on a second page.

    If they'd consulted we could have told them that.
    To get more kids we need more adults - are we getting the message yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kastor View Post
    The box for names of adults attending isn't anywhere big enough. They should have put that on a second page.
    If you use Word to complete the form, then the box gets bigger to accommodate the data. More worrying is the sudden need to collate this additional information and pass it to the DC.

    Are DCs now expected to look everyone up on Compass to check DBS etc? What about those outside the District (so DC cannot see their record)?


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    Compass really could do with a feature where you enter a first name, last name and membership number and it just responds "cleared" or "not cleared".

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    The top section asks for approx adult numbers and the middle section asks for names and member ship no's.

    I would guess the middle bit is only relevant for event leaders and is giving an option to specify multiple event leaders where before you just had the one. The box does say "adults attending" though...

    Not terribly clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulArthurs View Post
    The NAN form - available at www.scouts.org.uk/formnan - has been updated.

    The form now asks
    - Names of adults attending (with membership no.)
    - Activities (please list. those requiring permits or qualifications, providing details of the activity leader or provider)

    The new form does not appear to have been consulted upon, or announced.

    Paul
    My inner libertarian is irritated by the website refering to info the DC needs to "approve" an event. The DC only needs notifying. A DC may stop an event happening under whatever rule it is about activitie being their reponsibility, but once I have sent the NAN to the DC I do not need their approval, consent etc to run the event.

    Here endeth the grumble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulArthurs View Post
    If you use Word to complete the form, then the box gets bigger to accommodate the data. More worrying is the sudden need to collate this additional information and pass it to the DC.

    Are DCs now expected to look everyone up on Compass to check DBS etc? What about those outside the District (so DC cannot see their record)?


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    Not required.

    It is the HOME DC who approves the adults attending. The host DC only needs to know in certain circumstances (not using a Scout facility) and even then it is only so that DC knows they are in the District and not being somewhere they should not be camping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveb123 View Post
    Not required.

    It is the HOME DC who approves the adults attending. The host DC only needs to know in certain circumstances (not using a Scout facility) and even then it is only so that DC knows they are in the District and not being somewhere they should not be camping.
    My point was that if I have an adult attending my nights away event from a different District, or someone with a county role, then the DC cannot access the Compass record of that individual and so can't check if the person has a 'live' DBS/PVG.

    Host DCs are no longer told about residential events in their area not using a Scouting facility.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kastor View Post
    The box for names of adults attending isn't anywhere big enough. They should have put that on a second page.

    If they'd consulted we could have told them that.
    Or even better told them to leave it out
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    Quote Originally Posted by daveb123 View Post
    Not required.

    It is the HOME DC who approves the adults attending. The host DC only needs to know in certain circumstances (not using a Scout facility) and even then it is only so that DC knows they are in the District and not being somewhere they should not be camping.
    You kind of do.

    You hand in the form. The DC has the right to say, "No, I don't approve". Therefore, by default, he has to approve your event ... even if he doesn't tell you.
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    Network: The forgotten section. Again.

    No box to say how many Network are attending.

    So they're lumped in with adults.

    They won't necessarily be DBS cleared, it would be illegal to DBS them if they aren't in a leadership capacity.

    Should we list them in the list of adults attending? Like that's going to be accurate over a week in advance.

    Network aside, what is the purpose of collecting and collating this information?
    What is the DC going to do with this information?

    Are they going to check the DBS of everyone listed? They may not be able to. Everyone listed may not have one (Network).
    Are they going to check the permits of everyone providing activities?
    Are they going to check the AAIA (or whatever it is) licence status of the listed activity providers?

    Smacks of comments from some micromanaging DCs that have been collated in the big book of info centre suggestions being included because it seemed like a good idea.

    If there's no reason to collect the data, it shouldn't be collected.
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    The reason for collecting it, is so if anything goes wrong, they can say they collected it.

    I'm just surprised the managed to contain it and themselves to one page. Although I note, it 'can grow'.

    (Our CSL's still ask if Cubs can swim 20mtr or whatever it asks, even although they're not going swimming... They don't do it because they feel the need to know, they do it because they're being told they need to.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushfella View Post
    You kind of do.

    You hand in the form. The DC has the right to say, "No, I don't approve". Therefore, by default, he has to approve your event ... even if he doesn't tell you.
    I think you read my answer wrong Ewan.

    That is what I was saying - the home DC (ie your DC)needs to approve the event and check the adults are OK to go.

    The host DC (where you are going) was the other part. It has been pointed out though that I read that bit wrong as the poster was referring to the HOME DC not being able to check adults helping on a camp with one of his groups but the adult is from another District or county.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianw View Post
    Network: The forgotten section. Again.

    No box to say how many Network are attending.

    So they're lumped in with adults.

    They won't necessarily be DBS cleared, it would be illegal to DBS them if they aren't in a leadership capacity.

    Should we list them in the list of adults attending? Like that's going to be accurate over a week in advance.

    Network aside, what is the purpose of collecting and collating this information?
    What is the DC going to do with this information?

    Are they going to check the DBS of everyone listed? They may not be able to. Everyone listed may not have one (Network).
    Are they going to check the permits of everyone providing activities?
    Are they going to check the AAIA (or whatever it is) licence status of the listed activity providers?

    Smacks of comments from some micromanaging DCs that have been collated in the big book of info centre suggestions being included because it seemed like a good idea.

    If there's no reason to collect the data, it shouldn't be collected.
    Surely in the case of Network they would be on a separate event even if on the same site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveb123 View Post
    Surely in the case of Network they would be on a separate event even if on the same site?
    There could be a joint Explorer and Network camp.

    The Network members would not have DBS (unless they have another Scouting role).


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    Quote Originally Posted by daveb123 View Post
    That is what I was saying - the home DC (ie your DC)needs to approve the event and check the adults are OK to go.
    So the DC awards a NAP then isn't supposed to trust to NAP holder to check what they are supposed to check? Has the DC not got enough to do?
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