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    Quote Originally Posted by wealdbrook View Post
    We had some of these at a miniature railway in the tea bar - the problem we found was that they got hot (well there was a cooker for the bacon butties) and the plastic body broke leading to one batten falling from the ceiling left hanging by the cable. The other problem we had at Church with similar fittings was the clips holding the diffuser - they became brittle with time and broke when you tried to remove them.
    Interesting. We used them in the kitchen too and didn't have these issues. I guess that our kitchen use was somewhat less than yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pa_broon74 View Post
    Digressing slightly...

    I remember from the nursery visit, they wanted us to fit bespoke covers on the urinals in the boys toilets. They didn't say from where these could be procured, just that they'd need to be bespoke and cover the urinals.

    They also did that thing about those plug blank thingies people get so exercised about...

    They didn't say anything about needing plastic diffusers to stop molten, ummm, fluids from dripping down onto the heads of unsuspecting toddlers...
    Digressing a bit... but why would you need to have covers for the urinal? Its not as if a child can drown in one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by campwarden View Post
    Digressing a bit... but why would you need to have covers for the urinal? Its not as if a child can drown in one!
    Playing with the pretty yellow/blue "soap" blocks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ianw View Post
    Playing with the pretty yellow/blue "soap" blocks?
    Hhaha...

    Like we ever cleaned them...


    I'm joking.

    I don't really know why, the nursery kids would be too small to use them, I thought perhaps it was in case they touched them? For hygiene reasons?

    I don't really know. We've never used the blocks in them, we just chuck some bleach down them once a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Williams View Post
    Savings yes, there is nothing whatsoever unsafe about the setup described. There is quite simply nothing to burn - the fitting is metal and the tubes are glass. Add a diffuser and *then* you have a fire risk.

    I would seriously question the competence of whoever wrote that, to the point that I'd be pushing to bin the fire RA and have someone actually competent do it again.
    My father is a University Professor and one of the things he lectures in is fire safety law and he is considered a leading expert in the country and he said exactly the same thing when I descibed this thread (i.e. bin the fire RA as its written by someone who knows less than nothing about fire safety and if followed may well actually lead to an increased fire risk)

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    At home i replaced all my tubes in teh garage and workshop with these https://www.ledhut.co.uk/commercial-...be-lights.html
    The saving probably will never happen, although when i'm working in workshop there are 8 running so its a bit of a saving, but the real improvement is instant on especially in cold weather and no fragile glass tube.

    I've suggested to our GSL to change the hut lights as tubes fail but again for us electric heating is the biggest expense.
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    Many years ago i worked for a company that supplied strip tubes to a large manufacturer of sweets, these all had to be encapsulated tubes that is they had a clear plastic tube over the glass and bonded to the metal ends so if they broke no glass could fall and contaminate anything. if these are still available they would be ideal in a scout hall environment behind cages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard paintin View Post
    Many years ago i worked for a company that supplied strip tubes to a large manufacturer of sweets, these all had to be encapsulated tubes that is they had a clear plastic tube over the glass and bonded to the metal ends so if they broke no glass could fall and contaminate anything. if these are still available they would be ideal in a scout hall environment behind cages.
    No, they're not. The cage itself will prevent the glass from being broken so it won't be going anywhere (tubes don't just break on their own, you have to hit them with something, which is prevented by the cage). Whereas, the plastic tube poses a fire hazard that is not posed in its absence.

    Less is very often more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Williams View Post
    The cage itself will prevent the glass from being broken so it won't be going anywhere (tubes don't just break on their own, you have to hit them with something, which is prevented by the cage).
    Hitting them with something isn't always prevented by the cage. Our strip lights have cages. A close inspection of the fittings will reveal a few with arrow holes.

    (None of the holes, I think, from Cubs or Scouts but we do activities from time to time with kids from a local special school who have enormous enthusiasm but sometimes limited coordination.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Williams View Post


    Less is very often more.
    The diffusers do add some protection and they are not a hazard, they wouldn't be on sale if they were. Google striplights causing fires and you will exclusively find results from cheap non-complaint LED fittings, not traditional flouresent lights.

    That said, as i mentioned above, we don't have diffusers, just the cages. Not because they are in any way dangerous, just that I can do without another thing that can break and get in the way of replacing the bulbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnR View Post
    Hitting them with something isn't always prevented by the cage. Our strip lights have cages. A close inspection of the fittings will reveal a few with arrow holes.

    (None of the holes, I think, from Cubs or Scouts but we do activities from time to time with kids from a local special school who have enormous enthusiasm but sometimes limited coordination.)
    To be fair, if you're shooting bows and arrows at them you have, shall we say, slightly specialist requirements.

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    I guess your "fire inspector" would have flipped with the crepe paper I used directly over a fluorescent tube in my study at boarding school in England


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    Quote Originally Posted by hippysurfer View Post
    Don't get me started on those! I insisted on taking them out in our hut. I can't find the reference now, but at the time I tracked down an H&S Executive document that explained very clearly why they make plug sockets _more_ dangerous.

    I had a hell of a job convincing other leaders that a standard plug socket is specifically designed so that sticking something it in will not electrocute you - you have to stick three things into at the same time. However, if you try to level off one of the pesky plastic covers they snap very nicely so that you end up with one stick poking in the top hole for you - now you only need to stick two things in the remaining holes.

    They should be banned.
    Last time a playgroup bought those up I found some OFSTED branded guidance that said not to use them

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    Quote Originally Posted by dasy2k1 View Post
    Last time a playgroup bought those up I found some OFSTED branded guidance that said not to use them

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    This website has penty of info about so called socket covers : http://www.fatallyflawed.org.uk/ it a bit basic looking (retro?) although some of the links go to more modern ( and presentable) pages such as the NHS safety alert, BEAMA position statement and so on

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    Out of interest, while I don't disagree with these socket cover things being pointless, are they really any more dangerous?

    Has anyone come a cropper because one of these has been in place instead of, erm, not being in place? I mean, I understand that they countermand the existing safety measures, and that if turned upside down would mean contacts are open - which you presumably could do with an ordinary plug anyway...

    But has anyone actually been fried as a result of the placement of one?

    (*Edit* Asking for a friend... )

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