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    Quote Originally Posted by pa_broon74 View Post
    Then of course there's all the times you have no choice but to body swerve swathes of process because you don't have people in positions to carry them out.

    I know it's been said before, but I wonder how often volunteers are being hoisted by TSA's own petard. POR - in places - is a rod for our own backs.
    No wonder it is so difficult to recruit leaders/helpers if this is what 'Scouting' has become in the UK.

    I , personally , would not have a bar of it.

    Back to the original question - subs, and payment thereof ,- or not.

    Question please? WHY are you still asking for subscriptions? Do your
    'Rules' state that you have to?

    In a cashless society ( plastic fantastic ) why are you still talking about money?

    Payment of monies to higher bodies from the Group for administration costs etc. are required. - understood.

    However asking for a subscription from a parent who has no income, or not enough to feed the family etc would deny their child from ever benefitting from the scouting experience. So why do you persist in demanding money ?

    What the majority of parents have, who are not gainfully employed that is, is time.

    Why not use it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arfabuck View Post
    No wonder it is so difficult to recruit leaders/helpers if this is what 'Scouting' has become in the UK.

    However asking for a subscription from a parent who has no income, or not enough to feed the family etc would deny their child from ever benefitting from the scouting experience. So why do you persist in demanding money [/quote]

    Simplistically, because without funds it can be a tad difficult to operate. We are a far cry from the early days of Scouting when people met at the PL's house and they went out and played in the countryside or the local parks. But, if the odd family is in dire straits, then yes, help them out.

    What the majority of parents have, who are not gainfully employed that is, is time.

    Why not use it?
    Oddly, I have seen people who have been gainfully employed, be made redundant, and one of their first actions is to resign from scouting/ volunteering. I find it odd.

    At one time I had an excellent potential leader, she had a degree, and was seeking work in her specialised field. For two years she volunteered for 16 hours a week, in her field of interest, and when she told the Job centre that she was volunteering for 16 hours, they said that if she did 17 hours she would be considered unavailable for work and would not be able to claim any benefits - no benefits ment no volunteering at all. When I was unemployed, I told the Jobcentre that I volunteered with Scouts. They told me then that as I was the GSL I would be putting in too many hours to get benefits. I should stop volunteering to get the benefits. I took great pleasure in telling them that since I was only signing on to get my mortgage insurance cover, they could keep their benefits. (I also declared more from the odd freelance article than they paid in benefits anyway.)

    Not every parent who is unemployed is willing to give time, for various reasons. I would never try and use their lack of employment as leverage to get someone to volunteer. I know that isn't what you are meaning, but it could be seen as that. You have nowt better to do so why not help out at Scouts.. I think it would eed to be couched in a very positive fashion for their benefit.
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