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    Teaching Young leader training modules

    Is there any qualification needed to teach the young leader modules (First aid apart)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakala.NL View Post
    Is there any qualification needed to teach the young leader modules (First aid apart)?
    No
    Who should deliver the modules?
    Although the Explorer Scout Leader Young Leader (ESLYL) coordinates the training themselves,modules can be delivered by the ESYL themselves, or by someone with relevant experience, skills, and knowledge. For some modules you may wish to invite matter experts from your District, County/Region or Area to deliver some or all of the modules, or to co-facilitate. For example, you may wish to invite a Safeguarding Awareness Coordinator to support elements of Module A, or a Youth Commissioner to support Module I.
    Delivering training to ESYLs uses a different skillset to delivering training to adult volunteers. Bear this in mind when considering who might be best suited to deliver each session. Adults do not need to have completed training modules from the Adult Training Scheme in order to deliver the ESYL training.
    https://members.scouts.org.uk/docume...mends%20v3.pdf

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    Many thanks for that, especially the link.
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    Of course it's always worth being aware of any local guidance regarding delivery of training, to inform the "may wish to invite" decision, based on "who might be best suited....."
    If it was easy, it wouldn't be so much fun...
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    In greater London South East, it may only be delivered by the county training team by local decree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big chris View Post
    In greater London South East, it may only be delivered by the county training team by local decree.

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    Then someoneís role need to be reviewed and retraining or reassignment agreed. This local rule is not acceptable nor enforceable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big chris View Post
    In greater London South East, it may only be delivered by the county training team by local decree.
    Enforced how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiftypete View Post
    Enforced how?
    Bollockings

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    Oh well that would be ok then as I am immune to them, especially when I am not breaking any rules

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiftypete View Post
    Oh well that would be ok then as I am immune to them, especially when I am not breaking any rules


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    Quote Originally Posted by big chris View Post
    Bollockings

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    An inappropriate communication style to a volunteer who is correctly following national polices and rules is likely to precipitate a very forceful response. I would pity the CTM (or whoever) who tried such a tactic with me.

    In my experience, County training teams are falling so far short of delivering on their basic adult training objectives that they would embarrass themselves further if they tried to extend their remit beyond what the rules allow.

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    after a number of years, it grinds you down

    you can't run a beaver sleepover unless youd ot he beaver sleepover course
    you can't run yl training
    safeguarding expires every 3 years
    activity permits are only valid until the adult's first aid expires
    AA forms must be completed on paper and delivered to the AAC's letterbox (and it can;t be by special delivery lest the AAC have to go to the post office)
    NAP can only be gained by attending a course and prior experience is not acceptable
    and so on

    you rather lose the desire to do right on the other stuff when this stuff gets brought up to get in the way

    but hey... i'm gone now and it feels good

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    I am so glad I do not live 1/4 mile to the east. GLSW is a lot more flexible. The only local rule that is similar is camp permit expiring the same time as First Aid. As it is pretty simple to get a renewal (well it is for me), I let that wash over me.

    I have not been involved in YL training. But I assume they are not too fussy. There are regular requests for help at the YL training mornings.


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    Quote Originally Posted by claire.shadbolt View Post
    I am so glad I do not live 1/4 mile to the east. GLSW is a lot more flexible. The only local rule that is similar is camp permit expiring the same time as First Aid. As it is pretty simple to get a renewal (well it is for me), I let that wash over me.
    This indicates someones doesn't understand the permit scheme as the permit holder does NOT need to hold a first aid certificate at ANY time.

    https://members.scouts.org.uk/nightsawayfaqs

    Also, permits are normally granted for five years. Anything shorter and the issuing Commissioner needs to 'explain the reasons' i.e. justify their decision on an exception basis.

    https://members.scouts.org.uk/fs120803

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    The AA forms thing are you serious? I'd tell them to call 0121-do-1. So they're not only insisting on having the form on paper when theres no need to complete one, but specifying the method of delivery for it? I'm all for accommodating process to save other volunteers effort but not for invented processes that don't need doing. Not a chance in hell I would be doing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pstretch View Post
    This indicates someones doesn't understand the permit scheme as the permit holder does NOT need to hold a first aid cerificate
    no, but it seems to me not entirely unreasonable for the DC to withhold permits for people who refuse to to first response.

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