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    Brother to all scouts....

    Was sitting in the HQ last night waiting for the next group of scouts to come along and attempt to chop of various appendages with a selection of sharp implements and was looking at the copy of the scout law on the notice board. It struck me that when the SA made the changes to the 4th law they actually did away with it and replaced it with a statement: no longer are we requested to treat other scouts as brothers (or sisters or whatever!) but we now belong to this 'world wide family of scouts' whatever that means So now we only have 6 laws to keep!
    (I wonder if one reason for the change -apart from making it more PC- was because TSA realised that their attitude to other scout organisations in the UK was in conflict with their own law?!! )
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    An interesting point...! xD

    Also, vaguely-tangential question here, but...

    I know the Cub Law is "Cub Scouts always do their best think of others before themselves, and do a good turn every day", but is it acceptable to reword it in the singular?

    I've personally always stated it to my Pack as "A Cub Scout always does their best, thinks of others before themself, and does a good turn every day".

    Does it matter? Am I overthinking it? Does anyone else here care about the use of "singular they"? xD
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    You're gripping too tight. Relax a little and don't sweat the small stuff.
    If it was easy, it wouldn't be so much fun...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark W View Post
    You're gripping too tight. Relax a little and don't sweat the small stuff.
    Do you mean to say:

    Don't sweat the petty things,

    and Don't pet the sweaty things?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KoopaCooper View Post
    An interesting point...! xD

    Also, vaguely-tangential question here, but...

    I know the Cub Law is "Cub Scouts always do their best think of others before themselves, and do a good turn every day", but is it acceptable to reword it in the singular?

    I've personally always stated it to my Pack as "A Cub Scout always does their best, thinks of others before themself, and does a good turn every day".

    Does it matter? Am I overthinking it? Does anyone else here care about the use of "singular they"? xD
    Singular "they" is grammatically correct and always has been. For example: "They've left their umbrella over there".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzledbyadream View Post
    Singular "they" is grammatically correct and always has been. For example: "They've left their umbrella over there".
    I know a lot of people who would disagree with you and me on that point, but thank you.

    And now back to your regularly-scheduled discussion thread...
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    I think themselves rather than themself would still be be correct if even if using A Cub Scout instead of Cubs Scouts at the start fo the Cub Scout Law.

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    The change to "world wide family of Scouts" sounds less male only than "Brother to all "
    The change in the promise to ( better) accommodate those of no religious belief reads more of an attempt to make something fit

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoopaCooper View Post
    I know the Cub Law is "Cub Scouts always do their best think of others before themselves, and do a good turn every day", but is it acceptable to reword it in the singular?

    I've personally always stated it to my Pack as "A Cub Scout always does their best, thinks of others before themself, and does a good turn every day".
    Before Scouting went co-ed the law was "A Cub Scout always does his best, thinks of others before himself, and does a good turn every day"

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoutgamer View Post
    Before Scouting went co-ed the law was "A Cub Scout always does his best, thinks of others before himself, and does a good turn every day"
    I know, that was the promise and law I made as a Cub Scout. Which I guess is possible why I still say it in a third-person singular they form.
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