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    I have no idea how you manage to bring in 4k+ from a single jumble sale. Our Group stopped doing jumble sales around the time I was in Venture Scouts (20 years ago) as the income of 300 to 500 a time simply was not worth the effort when far less effort bag packing generated just as much if not more money. Our jumble sale was quite well established at the time having been an annual fixture for over 20 year to my knowledge and probably a lot longer than that but we never had much of any value dontated so it was all small sums being paid for other people's crap really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiftypete View Post
    I have no idea how you manage to bring in 4k+ from a single jumble sale. Our Group stopped doing jumble sales around the time I was in Venture Scouts (20 years ago) as the income of 300 to 500 a time simply was not worth the effort when far less effort bag packing generated just as much if not more money. Our jumble sale was quite well established at the time having been an annual fixture for over 20 year to my knowledge and probably a lot longer than that but we never had much of any value dontated so it was all small sums being paid for other people's crap really.
    Ah, now there's a thing. 300 -500 wasn't worth it when you could do bag packing...

    Bag packing around here has almost vanished.

    Sainsbury's restrict dates and times, last time we packed they gave us a Tuesday evening. Tuesday for goodness sake. We raised a fractin of what we had done in the past on a Saturday.
    Morrisons , likewise have restricted access and are booked at least a year in advance
    Tesco's, well they allow a few but we are six miles away from them and they don't consider us local, - plus they have moved to their Bags for Help challenge
    Never ever did get access to ASDA - the nearest is about 8 miles away.
    Co-op don't do, not enough tils and no space - thoughthey will allow us to sell raffle tickets.
    Local Garden Centre stopped allowing fundraising because a few gravedodgers complained about it (seriously - the manager told us that the owners had complaints about fundraising from two elderly couples)

    If I thought I could run a jumble sale and raise 300 - 500, I would find a way of doing it.
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    We've had a fair bit off the Co-op in terms of their members donation scheme. Not entirely sure how it works other than members sign up online and effectively vote for where that store's community funds (carrier bag funds etc) go. As we're pretty much the only group "asking" in a suburb that only really has that Co-op as a convenience store, I guess we get a good share of a decent amount. Just checked on the figures and we had 3200 in 2017 and 2600 in 2018, pretty much just for showing up at the end and having a photo taken in the store with a big cheque. Its usually around now they choose the years causes so maybe we'll get in again.

    We had a go on the Tesco token thing but as the Tesco's around us aren't on our patch not surprisingly we came last and only got 1000 from it - but every little helps when you are staring at a 6 figure site refurbishment ambition! (Which will obviously be done in stages!).

    Then again we spent last night with the Cubs running round delivering flyers for the local "village" festival for free - tell you what, if done well, 12 Cubs can shift a lot of leaflets in an hour! OK so we got nothing for it but it ticks off some community involvement and the kids loved being out and about doing something different.

    I think we'd struggle to make a jumble sale work because we are a bit out on the edge - that works great for activities and straight out into the countryside etc, but its hard getting people to schlep up the hill for anything based on the site for fundraising.
    Does anyone know what's going on?

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    Jumble is much harder now. With eBay, Gumtree and Boot Sales it's much easier to shift stuff for a few quid, whenever you like. So the only stuff left isn't worth much we found.

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    We stopped doing jumbles years (ok, decades) ago when I was a Scout - the income wasn't worth the effort. With the rise on ebay etc and the expanse of charity shops, I certainly wouldn't consider starting it up again. Even charity shops get tons of crap from people - though some also just rag perfectly good donations because they're lazy.
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    Only some very small streets left to collect from, plus as I said, our garage is full.

    Tonight, we'll finish off the small streets, (maybe 40-odd houses) and most of everything will be moved from our hall to the community centre. Tomorrow morning that will continue and jumble will be laid out for malodorous perusal...

    You only really get an idea of the quantity when we're set up for the sale itself. Currently in the scout hall, you can still see floor, which is a 50/50 proposition, sometime, we literally close the doors to stop crap falling out - this year? I think it's about an average amount of stuff. I reckon, we'll get in about 3500 this year - which is smack in the middle of expectations.

    Doing some quick sums. If we cancelled our jumble sale (which I'm not averse to doing), it would mean doubling subs for the year. I think out subs are probably quite low, and currently, all sections are at capacity and have waiting lists. (The scout section just cleared it's waiting list, so we're also at capacity.)

    But it's not just about money or numbers. Unfortunately, we're known for our sale - it's properly established. So it's pretty good advertising for us. Plus, there's the scale of operations to consider, for a small group, we probably have the most resources (barring the district's one 'supergroup'). There is a certain cachet to having the scope and scale we do... If for no other reason than it means our footing is a lot firmer...

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    My group doesn't do jumble sales but my group when I was a kid did.

    We used to hire a school hall for it and set up Friday night for a saturday sale. During the Friday evening there would be a steady stream of professional bargain hunters who would try and make there way in to sniff around the bric-a-brac looking for the valuable antique to try and grab for 50p. We used to have to chace them out!

    Similarly when I was a venture scout we had a regular gig organising the car parking for a car boot sale. We used to get the bargain hunters turning up, pretending to have a car boot of stuff to sell, just as a way of getting in a couple of hours early to try and find the valuable bargains.

    Can't say I miss it.
    Yup.

    We get it too. We've had to - and I imagine will have to tomorrow - frog-march people out who've snuck in. Common method is for people who've queued for a couple of hours to ask to use the toilet - we literally have to escort them. Problem is, other people see it happening and get abusive with volunteers. I haven't barred anyone yet, but it'll probably happen.

    Really pisses me off when people come in during the week to 'help', but all they do is rake. We now have a no sales what-so-ever rule during collection and in the run up to the sale. But, there's always that one volunteer who does it, usually attracting the wrath of some witness in the queue or other.

    Personally? I worry about the kids, they're front and centre in this and I've had to intervene once or twice when punters have got pushy with them. I've thrown people out for that...

    Have I mentioned that I hate jumble sales???


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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingStar View Post
    Jumble is much harder now. With eBay, Gumtree and Boot Sales it's much easier to shift stuff for a few quid, whenever you like. So the only stuff left isn't worth much we found.
    Hmmm...

    We're on the strata just below this level.

    A lot of the stuff we'll flog, will end up in those places. I think the key is to have enough decent stuff to offset all the crap - which we always manage to do.

    Also, Gumtree and eBay selling is a bit of a misleading proposition. We've tried to sell stuff on Gumtree after the sale, and it really doesn't work well at all. I think a lot of the chat about selling stuff that way is very anecdotal. It's a huge bother.

    Our village is moderately well to do, and I think a lot of people know they're giving us things they could sell. But a) it's a total bother to sell it and b) they're making a donation - albeit not a direct cash one - to a local charity.

    For example, we have about 15 bikes in this year (plus another 3 or 4 I won't count because they're in a poor state). We have the same people who come for the bikes each year. We make sure and have an adult on (it used to be my Explorers - who were cut throat about it...) The dealers will try and get them for (I'm not joking) maybe 3-5 each, we'll tell them to bolt. They'll eventually settle on something like 15 to 20 per bike with the decent few we have in going for up to 50.

    We know those dealers will service and clean them, then sell them for 100 a pop. We make a judgement on it, giving them around a 50 or 60% mark up. Meanwhile, on bikes alone we'll make maybe 400-ish. Same goes for electricals...

    The rest I have to say, is all about quantity not quality...

    Much as I hate it, we have it down to a fine (although very mucky) art.

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    That looks like exactly the crap my old group always got, and they only turned it into 7-800 max. So whatever you're doing to turn that into 3-4000, well played.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ianw View Post
    That looks like exactly the crap my old group always got, and they only turned it into 7-800 max. So whatever you're doing to turn that into 3-4000, well played.
    One of our new leader/returned ex-scout has a theory. He thinks that we only ever bring in about 500 for actual stuff we sell, but the local lord and land owner (it was Lord Wemyss, but he died a while ago and his son Lord Neidpath is an absentee landlord these days - having his own estate somewhere in the Cotswolds), would sneak in and drop 3k in dribs and drabs here and there.

    He might be right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pa_broon74 View Post
    Only some very small streets left to collect from, plus as I said, our garage is full.

    Tonight, we'll finish off the small streets, (maybe 40-odd houses) and most of everything will be moved from our hall to the community centre. Tomorrow morning that will continue and jumble will be laid out for malodorous perusal...

    You only really get an idea of the quantity when we're set up for the sale itself. Currently in the scout hall, you can still see floor, which is a 50/50 proposition, sometime, we literally close the doors to stop crap falling out - this year? I think it's about an average amount of stuff. I reckon, we'll get in about 3500 this year - which is smack in the middle of expectations.

    Doing some quick sums. If we cancelled our jumble sale (which I'm not averse to doing), it would mean doubling subs for the year. I think out subs are probably quite low, and currently, all sections are at capacity and have waiting lists. (The scout section just cleared it's waiting list, so we're also at capacity.)

    But it's not just about money or numbers. Unfortunately, we're known for our sale - it's properly established. So it's pretty good advertising for us. Plus, there's the scale of operations to consider, for a small group, we probably have the most resources (barring the district's one 'supergroup'). There is a certain cachet to having the scope and scale we do... If for no other reason than it means our footing is a lot firmer...
    If you're known for it and bring in that much money, it's worth it.

    However, if your subs are low, I'd suggest increasing them a bit - IMHO subs should cover all required expenses at a minimum, with fundraising used to supplement and for capital expenditure purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASLChris View Post
    If you're known for it and bring in that much money, it's worth it.

    However, if your subs are low, I'd suggest increasing them a bit - IMHO subs should cover all required expenses at a minimum, with fundraising used to supplement and for capital expenditure purposes.
    Yup.

    Our committee get quite skittish about putting subs up. They remained static for a long time and I can say, they certainly haven't gone up at the same pace as house prices, for example...

    It's an interesting one. First of all, the committee are 90% parents. And secondly, even among those who know what we do and what's involved, they massively undervalue what we actually deliver. On the one hand they say it should cost more, but are very reluctant to hump the costs up.

    We hire our hall out for Enjoyaball, that guy charges more for what he does than we do for ourselves. (I think it's about 10 a session...) We're charging a couple of quid and we're offering a good bit more than what enjoyaball does...

    Genuinely though, the sale is useful for the kids... We're talking about life skills, being assertive and confident... Some of the punters they have to deal with are, ummm, interesting... They know we have their backs, so it's an opportunity to learn how to be polite but firm.

    (That said, I'd love to scrap jumble sales. Other than a faint - very faint - voice in the back of my head saying 'but you've always done jumble sales', I'd bin them in a minute if I had a guaranteed replacement funding source...)

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    I believe very strongly that a group should be able to survive and grow without any fundraising. Fundraising is a nice added bonus.

    So i hope that your subs cover all your costs and leave a bit...

    i'm also a great believer in increasing subs each year. even if only by a quid a tern. That way, without parents noticing, you are making significantly more from subs in a few years without a big panicked hit,

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    Quote Originally Posted by big chris View Post
    I believe very strongly that a group should be able to survive and grow without any fundraising. Fundraising is a nice added bonus.

    So i hope that your subs cover all your costs and leave a bit...

    i'm also a great believer in increasing subs each year. even if only by a quid a tern. That way, without parents noticing, you are making significantly more from subs in a few years without a big panicked hit,
    Not sure I completely agree with that.

    Some fundraising may be required, we are a charity after all. Certainly that's kind of how we've always ran. That said, ours is an established group with established fundraising.

    Interestingly (or not), I might agree with it, except, I think we then fall a bit further in to just being a child care provider. But - and it's a big but, it depends on the scope of your group. The fundraising we do is a safety net, we could live without it, but as I said, it would detract from our established status.

    As with any human endeavour, I don't think it's as straightforward as that.


    (I totally agree with your last line there, I think I might put it like that to the committee when we next meet...)

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    I had a conversation with our kids school head teacher some time back (so long in fact they've both moved on!) where I suggested that rather than having these tedious sales whereby we buy ingredients, make cakes, take them to the school and then buy them back again, we just have a tax efficient gift aid donation scheme. Her response was that the events were as much about the community feel, and getting people engaged with the organisation as outright making money (albeit that was extremely important). Which I figured was kind of a fair point.
    Does anyone know what's going on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by big chris View Post
    I believe very strongly that a group should be able to survive and grow without any fundraising. Fundraising is a nice added bonus.

    So i hope that your subs cover all your costs and leave a bit...

    i'm also a great believer in increasing subs each year. even if only by a quid a tern. That way, without parents noticing, you are making significantly more from subs in a few years without a big panicked hit,
    I partly agree. Subs should be set to cover the minimum reasonable sustainable number of members - that will vary from group to group.

    So, we set fees at a given level for a minimum of 15 members - we have been as high as 30 members, and are now at 18 regular, so anything above the minimum is essentially money in the bank. We now have added another 18 Juniors, and we could drop our fees quite dramatically, but we have compared with other local activities and our fees are on par with football, swimming, martial arts etc.. So, we leave them as they are. I would have a hard time justifying increases to myself at the moment, but if our rent were to increase substantially, it is something that we may have to look at. Our insurance has actually come down this year - a benefit of not having to pay AMS.

    We do not NEED to do any fundraising, but we do, cecause it helps build awareness in the community, it helps young people understand that there is no free lunch, and sometimes, it helps provide extras. Having said that - we have hardly put a penny towards acquiring equipment. It seems that our financial management appeals to funders who want to be sure their "award" is going to be properly managed.

    We got involved in a commuity project - it cost us about 400 in the first year. Last year we got funding to offset the cost - we have resources remaining that will cover the third year.
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