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    Quote Originally Posted by big chris View Post
    So if organising a hike, one then looks at the factsheet. That says very clearly that you can't have more than 7 in a group. (No terrain mentioned)

    But that is proper hiking, looking at the context. Maps, compasses, rucskacks, teamwork, navigation etc. Not a stroll on well defined footpaths for a couple of hours with families.
    It's also a Factsheet. Factsheets are not Rules, except in the odd case where POR defines a specific one as such.

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    You surely have to do your risk assessment rather than just rely on what appears to be a 15 year old factsheet aimed at novices.

    There are obviously occasions and locations where a bigger group means a genuinely increased risk but if we're really talking about the almost impossibly unlikely event of a tornado striking as you walk across a field on the Cotswold Way on a warm spring afternoon, and impacting 15 peaople rather than 7 then I think you're probably OK to take your chances especially if the benefits of a bigger group (for example not carving off the slowest from the fastest in order to ensure smaller groups don't catch each other up and combine) provide a good reason for going "all in one group". In more remote country, in inclement/very hot weather, on difficult terrain etc then obviously the matter is not as clear cut.

    ETA - in fact that old hiking factsheet can only be found by directly searching for "hiking factsheet" - if you go into activities and look there is no "hiking" on the list, with the nearest being "Hill walking", and from that page there is no link available to that FS315078 factsheet. So I suspect its long been withdrawn)
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    Does anyone know what's going on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big George View Post
    Iím also concerned with pictures of various challenge type hiking ďcompetitionsĒ showing scout teams with less than 4 people. Itís not totally clear if the team size is actually less than 4 and some are missing from the phots or are they ignoring rule 9.32
    Unless it's a "selfie" there will surely always be one missing?

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    I’ve seen posts on Facebook (more than once) congratulating just two people, if it’s a team of 4 or more you’d sort of expect all the team to be mentioned, or more than one photo put up. I may well be not seeing everyone on a team, just seems a bit odd to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big George View Post
    Iíve seen posts on Facebook (more than once) congratulating just two people, if itís a team of 4 or more youíd sort of expect all the team to be mentioned, or more than one photo put up. I may well be not seeing everyone on a team, just seems a bit odd to me.
    In any case as has been mentioned, Rule 9.32 only applies to T1/T2/Specialist Terrain and not T0. Most of these challenge events (e.g. Endurance 80, Cotswold Marathon) occur in T0, and certainly E80 has a team size of 3-5 because it is heavily marshalled and assistance would be available very quickly.

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    A couple of bits of the route of the Six Dales Walk event our District runs is in T1 but the event has is allowed by HQ to allow walkers to take part without a T1 permit holder on the team or supervising due to the fact it is a checkpointed and marshalled event with full radio and sweep team back up. In its 50+ year history every single walker has always been accounted for safely. As I have said its rules do specificy teams of between 4 and 7 until the last few miles off the full route which are road walking so by definition T0.

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