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    Darwin Award Candicates on Ben Nevis

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    I really wonder what some people have between their ears, surely any one with the slightest common sense would have thought "No this isn't a good ide, lets go down the pub instead"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...lands-51447226

    They also apparently didn't have maps, although whether they could read them is another matter.

    Really makes me mad that we get all the flack, extra paperwork etc etc for any slight near miss even when we are following the rules, and yet idiots like this can calmly stroll to the top with total disregard for their safety and those that would have to rescue them.
    Especially given the recent posts and emails from HQ

    I hope they donate a hefty sum to the Mountain Rescue and get billed for the Helicopter.

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    What's HQ got to do with it? They were not Scouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Williams View Post
    What's HQ got to do with it? They were not Scouts.
    Yeah i know they weren't (as far as we know) involved in Scouts, but you just know there will be fallout from it
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    Quote Originally Posted by dralphs View Post
    Yeah i know they weren't (as far as we know) involved in Scouts, but you just know there will be fallout from it
    Why? It is in no way connected with Scouting.

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    maybe not Scouts, but of interest non the less, plus the article reads as a PR piece for what three words.

    A few years ago we did a walk with the Scouts, it was 'local however the weather was minus 12, with snow cover ( both extremely rare) and light winds, various messages were sent out stating the walk will still be going ahead ( all be it a modified route to take into account the snow/ice/cold temperatures along a path that runs almost parallel to a road) and that Scouts must be wearing suitable clothing+footwear, prior to departure we checked the clothing/footwear, To were wearing highly unsuitable trainers, and one had nothing more than a waterproof top over a scout shirt for warmth - those were sent back with the parents - some of who were far from happy that so and so had not been allowed on the wintery walk in the snow, and we were being over the top as it was nothing but a short local walk from A-B that those Scouts knew as they lived not far from the route


    Another thing with the article, is that it doesn't say where the tourists were from - you can get an attitude of We've come all this way so we are going to do it.
    likewise with a group, its only a few that aren't suitably clothed it would be a shame for them to miss out

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    The MRT have just posted on FB https://www.facebook.com/lochabermrt...76315752417611:
    Thanks to everyone for their messages of support to the Team - very much appreciated. The incident has created a huge amount of media/public/government and international interest and comment.
    The casualties admit that they made a significant error of judgement and are extremely sorry for the results of their actions. The guys were just members of the public who perhaps were unaware of what they were getting into. Not being from the UK and with very limited English, a lot of the information available to mountaineers and hill walkers would not have been accessible to them, so perhaps there is an element of mitigation in respect of their actions, clothing and lack of equipment.
    At present money from the Scottish Government is channeled, via Sportscotland, quite rightly so, into the Avalanche Information Service and for training and education through centers like Glenmore Lodge and agencies such as Mountaineering Scotland. Most of this will be targeted at people who are either engaged in the sport or have an interest in taking it up. Perhaps more thought needs to be given into how to inform the general public/casual tourist about how dangerous our small mountains are and how severe our weather can get and how it will catch-out the unwary and uninformed at any time of the year.
    Unfortunately it takes incidents like yesterdays to raise the profile in the media and the message has definitely got out. So there is a positive from the incident. Therefore, let us just cut the guys a little bit of slack. For those who call for charging and insurance for mountaineers/hill walkers, be careful for what ask for, as where do you stop, insurance for fishing, rugby, football all of which have more incidents and injuries than mountaineering.
    Mountain rescuers are all mountaineers who volunteer their services at absolutely minimal cost to the public purse. Insurance would lead to a professional service, which, for yesterdays incident would have required about 30 full time paid people on one single shift plus equipment etc to have been able carry out and then you have the admin, health and safety, bean counter et al - all funded by tax payer. Leave as is, as we have a world class voluntary mountain rescue service which delivers via public donations.
    To ensure it is sufficiently funded, we need public donations so please give to a mountain rescue team. Not all mountain rescue is about mountains and many teams outwith the Highlands, and even those in the Highlands, do provide resilience cover at times of severe weather/flooding and when the full time agencies cannot cope with scale of an incident. This is also significantly funded by donations for mountain rescue but we are sure our supporters would not grudge some of their money going back to the communities which we live in and allow access to our mountains and countryside.
    Finally, we would like to thank the guys from yesterday's rescue for making the donation shown in the picture attached. These were very young guys who without any prompting made a very generous gesture which is very much appreciated. Not everyone rescued appreciates that we are not full time or not paid to be at their beck and call.
    Stay safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dralphs View Post
    Yeah i know they weren't (as far as we know) involved in Scouts, but you just know there will be fallout from it
    These stories happen alog every few months. Last (?) year it was a young woman in running gear with a selfie stick.

    There will not be fallout for scouts from this. We already have strict and easy to follow rules. Want to go up a mountain? book a guide or find a leader with a mountaineering permit. Simples.

    Guides are excellent value and will give you a good day on the hills. It's pretty much always their passion so they are keen to pass on that passion to their clients.

    Guide - as in mountain guide, not a girl with a welly boot tree.

    The fallout will be from the Great Orme incident.

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    These chaps fall into a similar category to the people who had to be rescued by the RNLI after attempting to surf during Storm Ciara.

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    Lyme Bay had nothing to do with the Scouts but resulted in a major overhaul of all youth activity provision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingStar View Post
    Lyme Bay had nothing to do with the Scouts but resulted in a major overhaul of all youth activity provision.
    Correct, but I fail to see how a group of ill-advised adults who of their own volition walked into danger would change anything.

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    I always think, there but for the grace of God (whom ever you take that to be), before commenting on these stories. We all make mistakes, especially outwith areas in which we are comfortable.

    I still believe extreme stupidity will be the downfall of our species. These guys made a mistake and acknowledged it so fair enough.

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