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    Quote Originally Posted by daveh01 View Post
    I think that's a bit of a straw man, to be honest.

    My previous job was a contractual WFH arrangement, because there was no space in an office for me. It suited me down to the ground, but there were trade-offs, including less face-to-face contact with people. Guess what I did to get more face-to-face contact and improve my mental health....signed up as a scout leader!

    I know exactly the people you are talking about who are young, maybe in their first job, living in 1-bed flat, and are going out of their mind. But it's important to distinguish between what is the result of the lockdown in general, and what is the result of WFH. They are not the same. If you said to them: would you rather go back in the office and lose your commute time, or WFH and spend two evenings a week volunteering for something you feel passionate about...- what do you think would be the response?
    Don't see it as OR, but possibly as an AND. There's a lot in the office to do with personal career development - experience, assitance with tools, networking beyond your immediate team. And the commute in our buisness is horrible. So one or two days a week in office and the external fun stuff works well. Bear in mind that many social activities come through work - I came to Scouts through a work colleague. I wouldn't be here if I hadn't met him at work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RisingStar View Post
    Enjoying work is not "living to work", I find it "funny" that some people don't understand what it means to do vocational work ! I could afford to retire now, and clearly I wouldn't work if I weren't being paid, but I feel that I am making a big difference in my role - which is a key value driver for me.

    Surely you'd agree it's better to enjoy work than not, whatever you do outside work with your spare time, in fact I'd guess that better leaders are made from those who are happy in their day jobs, and can pass on their enthusiasm in Scouts. I can't imagine that anyone miserable and depressed in their job is going to undertake a 180' emotional about turn at 7pm.

    Hence back to the original point, now lost (!), that if some younger employees would enjoy work more, and develop into better engineers, better roles, a career in fact, by having the opportunity to socialise in an office environment sometimes then that is a good thing - and luckily it looks as though I've got agreement to do just that (fitting within the site's written RA of course!).
    Bit late to this but interesting discussions, and this bit caught my attention. Clearly not enjoying that much then and perhaps not as "vocational" as you seem to claim!?
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    BTW, meant to add I am 67 years old, a Finance manager for an SME which has just formed a strategic partnership (it went "live" on 1st March!) with a dutch company that has the potential to double the turnover. I could retire if I wished, but like Ewan's colleague why would I? I get paid reasonably well can, to a certain degree, chose what hours to work so long as the job gets done, it is an interesting time in the company's history and I no longer have the daily commute from Bracknell to Heathrow.

    We have serviced offices close to Heathrow, which pre-lockdown had just 3 regular workers and a once or twice weekly visit from the CEO, the other staff are all field based and very rarely visited the office. We have learned during this crisis, that we don't need to be in an office as it serves no purposes for the business and as our contract comes to an end at the end of August, I suspect it will not be renewed.

    Look like WFH is the way forward, at least for the remainder of my working life!
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    Not wishing to digress further, but...

    I think there's a lot of people who have crap jobs and no way of improving that situation. I'd venture to say, that's probably more common than people who really love and feel passionate about their work.

    I don't think people who love their jobs necessarily make for better leaders - especially if they're teaching kids to go to work (come what may) like good little drones. I don't think it makes a difference one way or the other.

    Actually, I think people who hate or feel nothing for their jobs would make better leaders, because they're definitely going to encourage kids to stick in at school citing themselves as the example of what happens if they don't.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pa_broon74 View Post
    Not wishing to digress further, but...

    I think there's a lot of people who have crap jobs and no way of improving that situation. I'd venture to say, that's probably more common than people who really love and feel passionate about their work.

    I don't think people who love their jobs necessarily make for better leaders - especially if they're teaching kids to go to work (come what may) like good little drones. I don't think it makes a difference one way or the other.

    Actually, I think people who hate or feel nothing for their jobs would make better leaders, because they're definitely going to encourage kids to stick in at school citing themselves as the example of what happens if they don't.

    You're probably right. There are plenty of people who do a job purely for money, don't enjoy it, and watch the clock ticking down to the end of the shift.

    Some do this because they have no choice... some because they are too afraid to take the risk.

    I've been there at least twice... going to work for the paycheck and not enjoying it. Both times it wasn't due to the job itself but due to my line manager.

    So I took the risk. It as paying off pre covid. Just hoping it continues to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pa_broon74 View Post
    Not wishing to digress further, but...
    Mmm? What? Hello? Am I on escouts?
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    I have never worked from home before yet I can do nearly 100% of my job from home. It saves me a fortune as well on travel and lunch expenses. However I do not enjoy working from home much as the part of my job I enjoy is the human interaction.

    Likewise I did scouts on Zoom because I had to and we made it work, it was ok. But I didn't enjoy it much because the part of scouts I enjoy is the human interaction, and it's the same for the scouts, as evidenced by our first meeting back, which they absolutely loved. We'll definitely not be goign back to zoom (barring second spike disaster!) however finding enough activities for any period on Amber will be really tricky, so I'm really hoping for a further relaxation before we go back.

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    Zoom/online stuff is no more than a stop gap - a sort of emergency filler, we did a trial meet with just a handful of Scouts to see how things may pan out come September, however we have a few other issues that cold be bubbling away

    Some of the issues we face is/are the NYA / DCMS( and by extension Scouting guidelines ) appear to be conflicting with those of the Department for Education - which in turn could cause issues with the Offsted registered nursery that uses the HQ during weekdays
    i posted this on the Scout Risk assessment Fb group:
    e have a nursery in our HQ - its a building on land donated for local Scouting and Guiding equally hared between Scouting and Guiding with a management committee looking after it - the nursery is there to generate income for the building whilst its not being used for Scouting/Guiding, the Nursery asked for and were granted "exclusive use " of the building early on, from the HQ management committee but now we are not sure what or even if they will agree to us using our own HQ from September if we are on Amber ( outside grass area/toilet access) Yellow ( small groups inside) or even green ( slim chance of that for a while) - my opinion would be we've got keys, we've done the required Scout Association risk assessments, we've been cleared for re-start so we will be in ( or outside on the grass if amber) could be trouble ahead

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    I think you really need to sort out your management committee. The nursery should never have been granted exclusive access. The focus of the management committee should be the provision of the hut for scouts and guides not to make life easy for the nursery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big George View Post
    I think you really need to sort out your management committee. The nursery should never have been granted exclusive access. The focus of the management committee should be the provision of the hut for scouts and guides not to make life easy for the nursery.
    Assuming no contract was produced for the exclusive use, all the managemnt committee needs to do is withdraw that permission.

    What the scout group exec need to do is look very carefully at how the management committee is constituted and who actually owns the building. If its owned by the Scout Group and the management committee are simply appointed to manage it, then the group exec should be able to take back control of the HQ. If on the other hand ownership lies with the management committee it might be a bit more difficult. There are I beleive processes within charity law for dealing with charities that aren't acting in line with their charitable purposes and the charity commission may be able to advise on this. As we've said before a simple (and cheap) land registry search will confirm who the actual landowner is in the eyes of the law.

    Either way, no matter how valuable the nursery is to the community, the building exists for the scouts (or in your case scouts and guides) and they must have prioirty.

    I would also discuss this with the rest of the leaders and possibly also with the district. As long as key scouting people (ie the ones who have the potential to cause problems for you - your GSL, the DC) are on your side with this i'd just start using the HQ and to hell with the nursery. Its not like the management committee can kick the scout group out.

    If the committee really make things difficult a quick emailed leak to the press might cause some fun too... "Scout Group battles to gain access to own hut due to corrupt management committee" is a good headline that i'm sure they'd love to run with. Add in a photo of a load of kids in uniform looking extremely sad at the locked gate to the premises and some select quotes about kids mental health.

    Sometimes, if there's a big bowl of the brown stuff, the best thing you can do is stir it.

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    Just had the usual email from HQ with a link out to a readiness levels across the UK table, https://www.scouts.org.uk/volunteers...7RORPS,42MI7,1 England on Amber, except for the following which is on RED

    • Leicestershire
    • Greater Manchester
    • Pendle
    • Hyndburn
    • Burnley
    • Rossendale
    • Blackburn with Darwen



    Also on RED is the whole of Wales, on GREEN we have Jersey/Geurnsey, and the Isle of man, but with restrictions on numbers, and no residential .
    This is where things get a little complex, Counties are much bigger than their major Towns and Citys, so for example within Leicestershire we have Leicester City and its suburbs ( recently in the news )
    We are on the Derbyshire/ Leicestershire border - and we often stray into Leicestershire is this still possible??
    At the other end of the County i have a relative who is a Cub ( although hasnt been able to start due to covid) His Cub Pack/Group meets in Derbyshire, but is part of Greater Manchester East District

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    The plan to do census in October has been dropped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by London Scouter View Post
    The plan to do census in October has been dropped.
    good news


    Bad news ( from email) ;

    The Board of Trustees carefully considered 18 months of research, member consultation, and pilots, as well as current challenges and have approved the concept of a new provision for four and five year olds,
    Good ( sort of ) news
    with any launch delayed for the foreseeable future

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard T View Post
    At the other end of the County i have a relative who is a Cub ( although hasnt been able to start due to covid) His Cub Pack/Group meets in Derbyshire, but is part of Greater Manchester East District
    That sounds like Glossop? If so which group, I started my career with 2nd Glossop as a Beaver & Cub then Scouts / Ventures with 1st Dinting. I still know and occasionally scout with many people from that part of the woods

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    Could be 2nd Glossop , https://www.google.com/maps/place/2n...2!4d-1.9566971
    although my Group is at the other end of the county, Both within Derbyshire, and some distance apart, almost the furthermost extents

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