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    I think a once a month f2f is a good idea. It still limits contact (to once a month) and at least you get some contact with members.

    For us (still), I don't see how it would work. I think we are fairly typical, perhaps our meetings aren't as orderly as most, our young folk just wouldn't cope with the social distancing and other rules they'd need to abide by - for us, I don't see the point really. Thinking about it once a month, that might have worked, but I think only once or twice then they, like the Zoom meetings, would fritter out.

    Plus, the bog renovations are still on-going. We now have working toilets, but still no doors, so, you know...

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    Ours have restarted f2f in all sections & explorers outdoors with option of limited indoor. We are currently only running as outdoor though, but are lucky that we do have our own HQ with outdoor space and access to several 3x3 gazebos for shelter.
    As part of our restart plan we fitted outside lighting all round the building & grassed area so we can meet safely after dark.

    There must be an appetite for Scouting as (being webmaster) i have seen several joining requests through the website since we restarted. We must be doing something right and parents presumably trust us.
    It is giving a few headaches as although some YP haven't come back most sections are on the 15 limit depending on who turns up that night and with our leader numbers its not easy to split into two socially distanced sets. Nice problem to have though.

    Unfortunately i can see us all being back in RED if there is circuit breaker lockdown for 2 weeks or worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pa_broon74 View Post
    I think a once a month f2f is a good idea. It still limits contact (to once a month) and at least you get some contact with members.

    For us (still), I don't see how it would work. I think we are fairly typical, perhaps our meetings aren't as orderly as most, our young folk just wouldn't cope with the social distancing and other rules they'd need to abide by - for us, I don't see the point really. Thinking about it once a month, that might have worked, but I think only once or twice then they, like the Zoom meetings, would fritter out.

    Plus, the bog renovations are still on-going. We now have working toilets, but still no doors, so, you know...


    This in bold.


    If I were to step back maybe 15 years, I was pretty demanding. I was a stickler for the rules. We didn't tolerate any nonsense, what we said was what was done.

    Latterly, I have become much more laissez-faire, except where safety is concerned. So, our kids have become much more accustomed to a laid back approach and a light touch from Leaders - after all, was that not the general idea originally?

    As a result, I think that they would not react well to the imposition of strict rules and social distancing that they DO NOT follow elsewhere. None of our team have any desire to return to the days of really strict discipline and operating like some pseudo military group - and to be honest, our kids are not of that type any more.

    We are worried that when we do get through this, we may have nothing much to reopen for. But I can guarantee that if we re-opened and then had to close because of an infection, the local vultures would be all over us. Oh Scout sections can re-open and if there is an issue, no-one will bat an eyelid, but if we have a Covid issue, you can bet your bottom dollar they would use it as a very big stick with which to beat us. I already had a run in over a single meeting with four kids turning up for what should have been a Socially Distanced outdoor activity. Can you imagine the bile if we had a Covid related incident?
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    I must confess im struggling to work out why some groups are reopening at this precise point in time.

    What has changed since a few weeks ago since they first had the chance to reopen? Certainly the risk hasn't reduced. Ok maybe a few have been waiting for work to be done on meeting places or venue owners to consent to them coming back.

    But reopening heading into the colder weather and a rise in cases... rather than 6 weeks ago when numbers were lower and weather was better just seems a bit... well... odd.

    I was talking to a client in Bristol yesterday. They are furious that cases in Bristol are shown to be rising... but when you look in more detail its almost entirely linked to the university. At least scouts, schools, etc are local services in local communities. Bringing students to low-case areas from high-case areas was only ever going to have one effect.

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    An example of why we have a problem.

    A staff member in a local school, showing no symptoms, decided to go on a four day break to Italy. Just how she thought that was going to pan out when she got home, I don't know. However, upon arrival at the airport in Italy, she was tested and found to be positive. She has been quarantined in an Italian hotel until she shows two negatives. Her stay in quarantine will be longer than her planned holiday. Upon returning, she will have another period of quarantine.

    All because she thought SHE was okay and could carry on as normal...

    THAT is the problem that we face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushfella View Post
    This in bold.


    If I were to step back maybe 15 years, I was pretty demanding. I was a stickler for the rules. We didn't tolerate any nonsense, what we said was what was done.

    Latterly, I have become much more laissez-faire, except where safety is concerned. So, our kids have become much more accustomed to a laid back approach and a light touch from Leaders - after all, was that not the general idea originally?

    As a result, I think that they would not react well to the imposition of strict rules and social distancing that they DO NOT follow elsewhere. None of our team have any desire to return to the days of really strict discipline and operating like some pseudo military group - and to be honest, our kids are not of that type any more.

    We are worried that when we do get through this, we may have nothing much to reopen for. But I can guarantee that if we re-opened and then had to close because of an infection, the local vultures would be all over us. Oh Scout sections can re-open and if there is an issue, no-one will bat an eyelid, but if we have a Covid issue, you can bet your bottom dollar they would use it as a very big stick with which to beat us. I already had a run in over a single meeting with four kids turning up for what should have been a Socially Distanced outdoor activity. Can you imagine the bile if we had a Covid related incident?
    And that's pretty much us right there in bold. Even at our most 'scouty', we still didn't follow the badge program, we didn't want to be walking around constantly ticking things off and getting the kids to waypoints and targets.

    I see a fair few of our scouts around the village, one group in particular has three scouts in it and three non-scouts, all around the age of twelve, none following any sort of social distancing. Expecting those three scouts to moderate their behaviour because they're with us, I think, is optimistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by campwarden View Post
    I must confess im struggling to work out why some groups are reopening at this precise point in time.

    What has changed since a few weeks ago since they first had the chance to reopen? Certainly the risk hasn't reduced. Ok maybe a few have been waiting for work to be done on meeting places or venue owners to consent to them coming back.

    But reopening heading into the colder weather and a rise in cases... rather than 6 weeks ago when numbers were lower and weather was better just seems a bit... well... odd.

    I was talking to a client in Bristol yesterday. They are furious that cases in Bristol are shown to be rising... but when you look in more detail its almost entirely linked to the university. At least scouts, schools, etc are local services in local communities. Bringing students to low-case areas from high-case areas was only ever going to have one effect.
    When everything went Amber, our CC said "Nope, rates still too high here, not happening". We are now defined Red, so he was definitely on the right side of things.

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    We are meeting tonight. I am exited.

    We have a lack of enthusiasm in our group especially in key places. No - this isn’t safe. More - meh. It took me sometime to motivate myself (and recover from the summer term.). Consequently it has taken a long time to do the risk assessment and significant delays getting it passed (no changes in the assessment in the end).

    Last night I looked at the rate in our area. I thought “that is alarming”. Then this morning there was rumour and subsequent announcement that we are moving to tier 2 on Saturday.

    I have thought long and hard about what we should do. In the end I concluded that our risk assessment is robust. With the measures in place the risk remains low and the risk (after the control measures are in) hasn’t actually changed.

    We are going ahead.

    And we have just had confirmation that our region will remain in Amber even though we will be going into tier 2.


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    Just updated the risk assessment to the comments received and split it between sections and whether we are outside at the Hut or elsewhere (so one has become 6). Also added another item to address the reviewer's comment and have resubmitted. Hopefully we will get a quick response since we intend to take the Scouts orienteering in the local Country Park in 10 days time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by claire.shadbolt View Post

    And we have just had confirmation that our region will remain in Amber even though we will be going into tier 2.
    My community in West Yorkshire has been partly in what is now tier 2 since 1st August, whilst the larger part dropped out of tier 2 into tier 1 for 3-4weeks, before going back into Tier 2 in mid September. The boundary between the separate groups was which council ward you were in.

    Comments after one of our beaver zoom meetings, were to the effect that most of the parents at a school near the boundary thought they weren't in Tier 2 because they lived in Birstall, not realizing that a significant number of them lived in the Batley West ward like me, which was in Tier 2.

    We have all our sections meeting by zoom, with relatively good attendance, with the troop having a weekend outdoor meeting at Woolley Edge campsite in November.

    I'm trying to get my head around the risk assessment so we can do a couple of beaver evening walks in the local park & country park, and hopefully a weekend outdoor meeting at Spen Valley District's Fanwoods campsite which is about 5 minutes drive from Birstall.

    The church we meet ai isn't letting any external bookings use it at the moment, as they cannot guarantee users will clean it to their satisfaction, and given the age of most of the congregation, they can't do the cleaning themselves enough to allow external bookings to go ahead.

    For scouting purpsose we've been amber throughout, since we all came out of red.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Mallett View Post
    My community in West Yorkshire has been partly in what is now tier 2 since 1st August, whilst the larger part dropped out of tier 2 into tier 1 for 3-4weeks, before going back into Tier 2 in mid September. The boundary between the separate groups was which council ward you were in.

    We are on the other side of the same Council - Kirklees ( I think that is right), and we had a total of 3 deaths since March, and no infections throughout the Local Lockdown, Our councillors and MP argued that we should not be in Lockdown, and won. We were also released for 3.4 weeks, but that release highlighted the absolute nonsense of such localised exemptions. People travel, to work, to shop, for leisure, to visit others, to socialise, and when they do, they cross these imaginary boundaries. The result was that the Denby Dale Ward became the area in Kirklees with the highest infection rate. - And, when the virologists talk about causes being poverty, high occupancy rates, religious practices - this area does not fall into any of those categories.

    The rise in infection rates just so happens to coincide with the return of schools - The council lists daily lists of schools impacted by Covid. I can only presume that the Examiner has either not had access to the list, or they are colluding to hide the extent of the virus in schools.

    To be clear - I don't actually see the list, but I overhear conversations - one of the hazards of working at home - my wife now knows a lot more abut my work than she ever did before, and I hers - unintentionally.
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    Looking at the usual political to-and-from which goes on up here. That Scotland's R rate is slightly higher than England's, (or parts of both anyway). (As much as the R rate is applicable - it doesn't account for highly localised outbreaks so can be artificially high and mislead). Either way, people seem to forget, back at the beginning England was ahead of Scotland in general terms due to all the reasons you'd expect. Now though, Scotland is ahead of England because our schools went back a good four weeks before England's did.

    So now we're leading the way. I think it's a fair assumption to make that schools going back have affected things and that the track and trace is rubbish - or they're not telling us to what extent it's affecting the numbers.

    We're almost going back to where we where at the very beginning with Nightingale hospitals being put on alert down south. So far our Louisa Jordan place hasn't been put on notice, (we have slightly more ICU beds per head than you do in England, I think though, it's not a huge amount more though...) I assume that's why.

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    I'm going to assume that Wales will go into RED with no F2F Scouting

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54598136

    I expect Sturgeon will now go one step further in Scotland as she seems to use it as a political football.

    Wonder when BoJo will follow suit
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    Quote Originally Posted by dralphs View Post
    I'm going to assume that Wales will go into RED with no F2F Scouting

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54598136

    I expect Sturgeon will now go one step further in Scotland as she seems to use it as a political football.

    Wonder when BoJo will follow suit
    That statement is a wee bit odd to be honest. The idea that if any of this is being deployed along political lines then it's Nicola Sturgeon's who's doing it. You're relying too much on the British press to inform your opinions. Indeed, one could suggest you've used the situation as a political football?

    They (leaders) are all doing it, some to a greater extent than others. The real competition seems to be, who is making the best educated guesses?

    On this circuit breaker idea... I can't see it working unless the entire UK does it, or where ever is doing it closes it's borders completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pa_broon74 View Post
    That statement is a wee bit odd to be honest. The idea that if any of this is being deployed along political lines then it's Nicola Sturgeon's who's doing it.

    It is amazing. The Welsh government can do what it needs to do and the UK media accept it, but if the Scottish government does anything, it is political.
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