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    Quote Originally Posted by campwarden View Post
    From a work point of view its very much "heres a roadmap" but treating all the dates very much as "moveable feasts". It's interesting though that Boris has repeatedly said

    "Driven by data not dates"

    Yet has released dates... and said "not earlier than" when surely being driven by data should work both ways... delay if needed, but also bring forward if the data says its safe.
    The trouble with dates is that they will used to beat him/the government over the head with if they are not met, especially by the press. As an ex project manager I know dates (and cost) are always subject to changes due to external factors but customers, in this case the public, never hear past the initial figure/date. Mind you, if he hadn’t given dates he’d be plagued with calls to give dates, dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn’t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big George View Post
    The trouble with dates is that they will used to beat him/the government over the head with if they are not met, especially by the press. As an ex project manager I know dates (and cost) are always subject to changes due to external factors but customers, in this case the public, never hear past the initial figure/date. Mind you, if he hadn’t given dates he’d be plagued with calls to give dates, dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn’t.
    The problem is businesses need dates. They can't reopen properly on a couple of days notice. Or even a weeks notice. In many industries (including hospitality) seasonal staff need to br hired (which can take several weeks) changes need to be made to facilitate outdoor service, etc. Breweries need to restart their processes weeks before the pints can hit the pub bar taps. Hotels need need get laundry arrangements etc back in place.

    IMHO he's done the best thing here. Released dates. Warned people they aren't set in stone and to be careful what they commit to. What he needs to do now is keep business updated and be honest. If he feels he is likely to need to push a date back he should say so at the earliest opportunity. Likewise, as he is being driven by data not dates, if it becomes clear that we can unlock more quickly he should also consider that.

    Most of my clients are sensibly working with at least a month margin on his dates for events. So smaller outdoor events from June rather than May, larger events aiming late July or August rather than the end of June.

    Hopefully school fete season will be back on this June and July (they're allowed from 17th May if the dates do go to plan)

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    And if he (and the rest of the rabble) stick to the structure of 4 weeks to see if there is an affect of a relaxation and analyse it and then a week to announce the next stage (or delay it) then we have some good prospects of being reasonably sure things are getting better or knowing where the risks remain. My only worry is that some people will jump the gun and start doing things early because they will be able to do in a fortnight and it is Granny's birthday this week and muck up the process.
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    THe closest we can be back running would be within two days of getting the green light to amber/yellow
    So for a Wednesday evening meeting, if it F2F was permitted we would need to know by Monday evening as it would take a day to get the message through.
    When ever it happens the Nursery will not be happy, as at the moment they have the complete run of the place and may well object to us using the building

    As for starting back, we expect it to be with covid restrictions on numbers etc, so back to the two groups on alternate weeks. a few ideas - we normally do pancakes around pancake day, no reason why this can not be done anytime.
    Then we have a route for a walk quiz/observation based evening, ie Question __ Take the first and last number from the lampost and walk on that compass bearing, what time does the last bus on a Saturday depart?
    At the moment it looks like we could be thwarted if we want to leave the HQ by POR and the steep slopes/rocky terrain rule

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard T View Post
    THe closest we can be back running would be within two days of getting the green light to amber/yellow
    So for a Wednesday evening meeting, if it F2F was permitted we would need to know by Monday evening as it would take a day to get the message through.
    When ever it happens the Nursery will not be happy, as at the moment they have the complete run of the place and may well object to us using the building

    As for starting back, we expect it to be with covid restrictions on numbers etc, so back to the two groups on alternate weeks. a few ideas - we normally do pancakes around pancake day, no reason why this can not be done anytime.
    Then we have a route for a walk quiz/observation based evening, ie Question __ Take the first and last number from the lampost and walk on that compass bearing, what time does the last bus on a Saturday depart?
    At the moment it looks like we could be thwarted if we want to leave the HQ by POR and the steep slopes/rocky terrain rule
    I'd suggest if thr nursery have a problem with it they are reminded that they just rent thr Hall and, if they aren't happy, another nursery would probably love to take over the space.

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    I think that if we knew that we could "GO", then we could do so very quickly, a couple of day's notice is all that we would need - BUT... getting together is one thing, identifying what we could actually do is quite another. I am really struggling to think of acrivities that will fill the time where we can operate with social distancing, and I still wonder if we enforce SD, why would the kids come when they freely ignore it elsewhere?

    Mind you, there was an interview on the Yorkshire news with the Head (I think) of Carlton Bolling School in Bradford yesterday. It took place in the refectory, and in the background there were pupils sitting chatting, no masks, no social distancing... So maybe the reality is that we can just throw the guidelines out of the window once Boris says we can meet up F2F.

    My thinking is, even more so now that we are so close to the goal, is that why take the risk for the sake of a few weeks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushfella View Post
    I think that if we knew that we could "GO", then we could do so very quickly, a couple of day's notice is all that we would need - BUT... getting together is one thing, identifying what we could actually do is quite another. I am really struggling to think of acrivities that will fill the time where we can operate with social distancing, and I still wonder if we enforce SD, why would the kids come when they freely ignore it elsewhere?

    Mind you, there was an interview on the Yorkshire news with the Head (I think) of Carlton Bolling School in Bradford yesterday. It took place in the refectory, and in the background there were pupils sitting chatting, no masks, no social distancing... So maybe the reality is that we can just throw the guidelines out of the window once Boris says we can meet up F2F.

    My thinking is, even more so now that we are so close to the goal, is that why take the risk for the sake of a few weeks?
    I think for younger sections it's probably fine. But for older sections, until we're fully out of it - or at least a lot more out of it than we'd be in March or April, it would be more prudent to not restart.

    Like Ewan, there's just no way we could guarantee social distancing, and to be honest the botheration of trying to maintain it in an atmosphere where the kids are usually a wee bit wild due to just being excited to be down... To return after so long and end up trying to enforce comparably draconian rules, is not what I'd like them (or me) to come back to. I think that could actually be damaging to the troop. As I've said elsewhere, ours is a troop which is more of a release valve than a vehicle for learning discipline.

    I've missed the young folk. There are some (in this small village) that I've managed not to see at all. And they're at that age where change is at it's maximum rate. There's a chance with some, when/if they come back, I won't recognise them. But they're all okay, as far as I can ascertain anyway. Rushing back because we think we're a vital service or activity, I still think is over-egging things - at least here anyway.

    I'd much rather get back to it with a bang than a strangled whimper. I was going to say, I'd much rather return with a camp where they can all go daft but... You know... Reasons...

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    Useful new page, including snippets of info on things like fetes and other such community events:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ses-and-venues

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    Quote Originally Posted by London Scouter View Post
    Useful new page, including snippets of info on things like fetes and other such community events:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ses-and-venues
    Thanks - certainly a lot more concise than the long winded version i've been referring to.

    It certainly gets us to a much better place than we were last summer, as long as the data keeps going in the right direction.

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    I'm putting all those dates in the same catergory as the promise of a normal Christmas to avoid any potential dissapointment.

    While covid has made Scouting a heck of a lot harder, its odd that in real life outside of scouting you start to miss the things you used to hate.
    the crowds and the associated pushing and shoving, the crowded pubs where you need to shove to the front and hope to get the attendtion of who ever is serving.
    Going to a shop other than a food shop, as an item you need you need to see wat its like to touch and feel it, buying online while the picture may look nice could mean its cheap tat, same again for a birthday/christmas card/gifts etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard T View Post
    I'm putting all those dates in the same catergory as the promise of a normal Christmas to avoid any potential dissapointment.

    While covid has made Scouting a heck of a lot harder, its odd that in real life outside of scouting you start to miss the things you used to hate.
    the crowds and the associated pushing and shoving, the crowded pubs where you need to shove to the front and hope to get the attendtion of who ever is serving.
    Going to a shop other than a food shop, as an item you need you need to see wat its like to touch and feel it, buying online while the picture may look nice could mean its cheap tat, same again for a birthday/christmas card/gifts etc

    I suspect that the government will meet at least the first couple of dates/ deadlines, I'm not so sure about the last one. I suspect that we may see, despite vaccinations, another rise in infections. No science to that at all, just a knot in my stomach.

    Nope, don't miss the things I used to hate, if anything, I dislike them even more. Long queues, crowds, rude people, traffic jams, airports... nope, I can live without them.

    I do miss the interaction around Navigators and the community projects. I miss going out for a meal at our favourite restaurants (though if they become overcrowded I am happy to give them a miss), I miss live music. Otherwise, I'm kind of okay about it all.

    As far as scouting goes - if the SD stands, then I think it is just about stuffed IF people stick to the rules. It cannot be what it was with SD in place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard T View Post
    I'm putting all those dates in the same catergory as the promise of a normal Christmas to avoid any potential dissapointment.

    While covid has made Scouting a heck of a lot harder, its odd that in real life outside of scouting you start to miss the things you used to hate.
    the crowds and the associated pushing and shoving, the crowded pubs where you need to shove to the front and hope to get the attendtion of who ever is serving.
    Going to a shop other than a food shop, as an item you need you need to see wat its like to touch and feel it, buying online while the picture may look nice could mean its cheap tat, same again for a birthday/christmas card/gifts etc

    Hmm there are a few things I miss... but they are the expected things. The social interaction, the meals out, the pub, long drives on thr countryside to a walk with a pint and ploughman's at the end. I don't miss crowded pubs with queues at the bar because, frankly, I haven't frequented that type of pub at the times it would be busy in years.

    I don't miss shopping either. Because I used to do as much as I could online, or from trade counter type setups, (e.g. screwfix rather than b&q, etc anyway. Greetings cards are still in the same place in the newsagent as they've always been although maybe I miss the prices if the cheap card shop in town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by campwarden View Post
    I don't miss shopping either. Because I used to do as much as I could online, or from trade counter type setups, (e.g. screwfix rather than b&q, etc anyway. Greetings cards are still in the same place in the newsagent as they've always been although maybe I miss the prices if the cheap card shop in town.
    The amount of in-store shopping I do has not substantially changed on the grounds that I don't often do in-store shopping anyway.

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    I have kitted out most of a house with online purchases this last year, including an entire kitchen which I fitted myself. To be honest I probably would have bought most of it online anyway as I prefer online shopping and there is a broader choice of items. Haven't had many duff purchases at all really, might have gone for the next sized up light shades (glass globes) if I had been able to see them and one set of bedding was a lighter shade than I thought it would be.

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    My shopping habits haven't changed much, always tended to go food shopping in person as want to check it over before buying, a lot of the other is either click and collect (so i know they have it in stock) or ordered online from specialist suppliers.

    What i do want to do again though is the weekly quiz at our local micro brewery TapSocial, good beer and a different street food vendor each time, some really really good.

    And sitting up on the ridgeway reading a book waiting for a dofe group.
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