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    Great idea for alternative to Scout Magazine

    Now that we know we are no longer going to receive our scouting magazine, is this the chance to get back the only bit that most people read - namely, Ian West’s “Last Laugh”?
    Even if they just re-ran some of the old ones I am sure they would still be relevant today and I don’t have old copies so would love to see them again.
    I seem to recall he did a book of them, but I can’t find it anywhere 😟
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    Some pics from the book here:


    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Yh4DXjzdYNZSSkQm7

    The actual book is at my dad:'s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Now that we know we are no longer going to receive our scouting magazine
    I've seen rumours/suggestions/announcements of two teams/people wanting/planning to make a replacement. Probably electronic I'd guess, at least at first.
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    I do think that Scouting deserves a publication / journal of some sort.

    The trouble is that for many years Scouting magazine has felt like their magazine, not our magazine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by London Scouter View Post
    I do think that Scouting deserves a publication / journal of some sort.

    The trouble is that for many years Scouting magazine has felt like their magazine, not our magazine.
    That's a good description.

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    If only there was someone on this forum who was experienced with journalism and magazine production...

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    Quote Originally Posted by London Scouter View Post
    The trouble is that for many years Scouting magazine has felt like their magazine, not our magazine.
    I don’t think I could have put that better if you’d given me all the time in the world!! Exactly.
    I used to enjoy reading it to hear about real scouting but now all it does is try to make everyone (or maybe just me?) feel bad if we are providing a popular, well attended programme, but not meeting the “On message” scouting that is the only stuff that makes it into the magazine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    I don’t think I could have put that better if you’d given me all the time in the world!! Exactly.
    I used to enjoy reading it to hear about real scouting but now all it does is try to make everyone (or maybe just me?) feel bad if we are providing a popular, well attended programme, but not meeting the “On message” scouting that is the only stuff that makes it into the magazine.
    To be fair I have always felt even back to the days when you actually had to pay to receive it and HQ had less of an input to the content (when you pay the piper you do get to call the tune) it promoted a rather idealised version of Scouting that often had a tendancy to make me feel inadequote as we weren't providing this amazing Scouting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Rush View Post
    If only there was someone on this forum who was experienced with journalism and magazine production...
    Nope - that is a Poison Chalice if ever there were one.


    1/ They would be caught in the middle - many of us posting on UKRS or Escouts used to get "interventions" from on high - They gave up when FB appeared.
    2/ The risk of litigation from TSA would be high - you would need a lot of real scouting passed before a lawyer.
    2a/ 1st Anytown would constantly be in crisis
    2b/ Real life Scouting is often very far removed from the ideal - so articles could be seen as bringing scouting into disrepute.
    3/ Imagine the conflict that would be created by a publication that tried to cater for the inhabitants of 1st FB. Jeez! There is libellous stuff on there on a daily basis.
    4/ Quality contributions could be difficult to find. (I say this having looked at a wide range of Scouting material over the years from individuals and groups)
    4a/ There is virtually noting that can be written about or around Scouting that will not create a divide amongst the harumphing masses.
    You could not win.

    That is without even considering production costs.

    I'll go a little further - specialist titles often struggle - you would need access to the membership database - which is not going to happen. You would need either people to subscribe and pay, or, free delivery based on advertising revenue - the latter is not going to happen because Scouting has, ironically, no specific target market - it is too broad a spectrum to attract advertisers, and I would hazard a guess that those who did advertise would have recorded a poor response.

    What is possible though, is a team managed online publication - and I am not sure why TSA did not go down that road - But, if done properly, could reach out to all the uniformed scouting people, and perhaps even the non uniformed scouting people. However, even that sort of operation would be subjected to the harumphing brigade. I get enough of that locally on the social media groups!
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    Quote Originally Posted by London Scouter View Post
    I do think that Scouting deserves a publication / journal of some sort.

    The trouble is that for many years Scouting magazine has felt like their magazine, not our magazine.
    Take that a step further and ask why.

    I'd suggest it was because HQ is out of touch with grassroots, but more than that, anything they produced, in order to fend of criticism, would be so anodyne and dull, that it would be a waste of time.

    Indeed, I think that was why it always felt like it was their magazine. Similar to an in-flight magazine - as you sit looking at all the glossy, smiling happy people sipping champagne while being tortured by the sound of crying babies and the stench of people's farts. It jars a little.

    Excuse the simile, or metaphor...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pa_broon74 View Post
    Take that a step further and ask why.

    I'd suggest it was because HQ is out of touch with grassroots, but more than that, anything they produced, in order to fend of criticism, would be so anodyne and dull, that it would be a waste of time.

    Indeed, I think that was why it always felt like it was their magazine. Similar to an in-flight magazine - as you sit looking at all the glossy, smiling happy people sipping champagne while being tortured by the sound of crying babies and the stench of people's farts. It jars a little.

    Excuse the simile, or metaphor...

    I'm not sure that any Scout publication can reach everyone it needs to in a fashion or tone that they desire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushfella View Post
    I'm not sure that any Scout publication can reach everyone it needs to in a fashion or tone that they desire.
    Indeed.

    I think that reflects the great breadth of people we have on board. It is a great strength, but does have it's unintended consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushfella View Post
    I'm not sure that any Scout publication can reach everyone it needs to in a fashion or tone that they desire.
    It's never going to appeal to the cynical old lags that frequent escouts. (Only half joking)

    And yes, because scouting is such a broad church, having one magazine that covers everyone is going to be just about impossible. The in-flight magazine is a good analogy, I mean, anyone and everyone that can afford it will fly places, the only commonality is they're going on holiday...or business, so everything needs to be of a very general appeal. The scout magazine would have to cover everyone from Bushcraft Bennies to Jamboree Jonnies, plus the leaders cover an age range of 6 year olds who can barely tie a shoelace to Explorers that don't bother to tie their shoelaces. And from inner city yoof to the rural backwaters of Autermuchly. It's no wonder the former magazine struggled, with most people who expressed an opinion seeming to say "I don't recognise this"
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    Quote Originally Posted by ianw View Post
    It's never going to appeal to the cynical old lags that frequent escouts. (Only half joking)

    And yes, because scouting is such a broad church, having one magazine that covers everyone is going to be just about impossible. The in-flight magazine is a good analogy, I mean, anyone and everyone that can afford it will fly places, the only commonality is they're going on holiday...or business, so everything needs to be of a very general appeal. The scout magazine would have to cover everyone from Bushcraft Bennies to Jamboree Jonnies, plus the leaders cover an age range of 6 year olds who can barely tie a shoelace to Explorers that don't bother to tie their shoelaces. And from inner city yoof to the rural backwaters of Autermuchly. It's no wonder the former magazine struggled, with most people who expressed an opinion seeming to say "I don't recognise this"
    Yup.

    I think we do it down too, because this is all happening at a time when all magazines are struggling, so there's that aspect of things too.

    What ever alternative they come up with, I think it's important that it could be instrumental in bring HQ and grassroots closer together, or at least reshaping the relationship which has developed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pa_broon74 View Post
    What ever alternative they come up with, I think it's important that it could be instrumental in bring HQ and grassroots closer together, or at least reshaping the relationship which has developed.
    There seems to be a rash of webinars at the moment. Not sure that's the answer. Especially when/if the recording of it is tricky to find if you don't fancy spending another evening scouting.
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