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    Tripping over guy lines

    Ok, we've bought one of these...



    Bit bigger than that photo suggests, your average Explorer can fit lengthways between the pole and the edge, so we're going to see how many we can squeeze in, like spokes in a wheel, this weekend.

    As the "canvas" is about 4.5m across, the guy lines will probably be a 6-7m radius circle.

    As it's a new tent, and not that cheap, and we're at a camp with loads of others, I don't want people tripping over the guy lines and destroying it.

    So thoughts welcome on how people stop the little herberts tripping over the guy lines in the dark. Mine tape? Glow sticks? LEDs? Lumo paint?
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    I WANT ONE! I HAVE WANTED ONE FOR AGES! I AM VERY JEALOUS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianw View Post
    Ok, we've bought one of these...

    So thoughts welcome on how people stop the little herberts tripping over the guy lines in the dark. Mine tape? Glow sticks? LEDs? Lumo paint?
    I've seen Scouts at Technology Camp making little battery operated electronic markers with flashing LED's that attach to the guy line as part of their Electronics badge. They were pretty cool.

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    Maybe attach a small bit of reflective tape to each guy line?

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    Trip wire and claymore mines should do it .............

    Stake out the corners just proud of the guylines and use rope, mine tape or whatever you have to hand.

    I must say the jeannieJ's LED's sound interesting.

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    How about glowsticks or I've seen those garden solar lights used in the past?
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    Get some sort of hi visability tape and wrap it around each guy rope from one end to the other.
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    Love it where can I buy one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taeniura View Post
    Love it where can I buy one?
    got £300?

    online shops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taeniura View Post
    Love it where can I buy one?
    Well, we got ours from here:

    http://friluftsshop.dk/

    With the proper groundsheet and some coat hooky things, it came to about 550 EURO. What that is in pounds exactly I won't know until I get the credit card statement, but around £375-400.

    There may be cheaper places out there, I didn't look very hard.

    The manufacturer is frisport I think.

    I'll tell you how well it performs in a wet and windy winter woody campsite after this weekend.

    Just wish I could be sleeping in there. Hey ho, yellow card and all that.
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    tying a white carrier bag to the tent pegs usually does the trick.

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    i have seen glow sticks used, also solar garden lamps which are pathetically feeble in reality but ok for showing guy ropes

    We use reflective tape in two or three places on ours but the little angels still trip over them

    On my own tent i brought some cheap hi vis guy ropes from a camping store locally and changed them from the white ones

    never tried a white carrier bag that could be worth a shot


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    Quote Originally Posted by ianw View Post
    Well, we got ours from here:

    I'll tell you how well it performs in a wet and windy winter woody campsite after this weekend.

    Just wish I could be sleeping in there. Hey ho, yellow card and all that.

    Ooh.. so you are getting the Explorers to check it does not leak this weekend, and if it does, oh well at least your gear is dry...

    And then as soooo many people want to sleep in it you are taking it to Ecamp, as you know it won't leak and you can sleep in it and so can lots of others.. cause your soooo kind and they all soooo want too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbles_lass View Post
    tying a white carrier bag to the tent pegs usually does the trick.
    Me too, only ripped up into small pieces

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    Quote Originally Posted by ianw View Post
    I'll tell you how well it performs in a wet and windy winter woody campsite after this weekend.
    Well, as promised, here's my report back....

    Weather forcast looked terrible, rain all day Saturday. In the end, the tent didn't get much of a test, drizzle Friday night, bit of rain Saturday night, but not even enough for me to be bothered to go get the waterproof. Mild too.

    Our tent said it fitted 6-10. On the evidence of Friday night, when we had eleven in there, the recommendation is correct! Mind you, Explorers aren't very organised, and if we'd put their bags outside, it would have been fine I reckon. There was quite a bit of "ow! that's my head/leg/foot!" etc. Three of them had to leave on Saturday, and another managed to stay in his hammock (maybe because it was the girls that left on Saturday? No, to be fair, I heard him fall out his hammock twice Friday night before he gave up), so it there was much more space Saturday night, no complaints.

    The Explorers loved it! Mind you, it has the same drawbacks as a patrol tent, first night of camp, share the sweets round, can't get to sleep, service crew, other leaders, me all bitch at them to shut up, again and again. Me get's grumpy by 1:30am.

    Funnily enough, didn't seem to have any problems with tripping over guys, maybe because it's round, well, a hexagon actually, so there's no corner guys for a tempting shortcut.

    By Sunday morning the tent looked a bit "flappy", couldn't work out why, but like patrol tents, we could "do the brailings up", unhooking it from the groundsheet, and tying the bottom to the guys, the thing had dried by the time we came to take it down, unusual for a UK weekend in Jan I think you'll agree. When we took it down, the source of the flappyness became apparent, the pole had buried itself about 6" into the ground. What do the cunning Laplanders do in the snow for heavens sake? Other leader might well knock up a flat disc thing to fit in end of the pole, but a thin section of trunk would do.

    I think it would have been better on a completely flat bit of ground, especially if full, as not many people like sleeping head down, or sideways to the slope.

    No idea how it would perform in heavy rain, I think it would be fine with a bit more pitching practice, and stuff not being so close to the edge, so the groundsheet isn't flat on the ground, and maybe a small trench round the outside if the ground isn't flat.

    The Explorers made a right mess of the groundsheet round the door, despite folding it back and leaving a boot removing patch.

    I definitely wouldnt' trust a full one with anything more than a trangia or other very small stove. Maybe with just 5-6 in there they could be organised enough for something, but 10 Explorers, no way. No-one complained about being cold though. Maybe once they get used to it a bit more, and get a more organised, it could be possible.

    So, in summary, pretty successful, the Explorers got an experience they haven't had, or likely to have, anywhere else, and the tent survived to be used another day!
    Ian Wilkins
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