View Poll Results: What is your single biggest issue delivering and maintaining a full programme

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  • Record Keeping

    19 19.59%
  • Programming for Zones

    14 14.43%
  • Leaders available to deliver programme

    30 30.93%
  • Programme Planning

    10 10.31%
  • Ordering Badges

    1 1.03%
  • Resources

    3 3.09%
  • Costs

    7 7.22%
  • Keeping Up With the Changes

    1 1.03%
  • Specialist Instructors

    5 5.15%
  • Other

    7 7.22%
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    Poll: What is your single biggest issue delivering and maintaining a full programme

    Poll: What is your single biggest issue delivering a full programme

    Record Keeping
    Programming for Zones
    Leaders available to deliver programme
    Programme Planning
    Ordering Badges
    Resources
    Costs
    Keeping Up With the Changes
    Specialist Instructors
    Other

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    oh yeah please feel free to leave comments

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    oh the record keeping!!!

    badges divided into "must do 3 things, one frome each section" - so it cant just be a tick box. Then youve got the issue of can an activity count towards more than one thing - or are activites counted once rowards one badge and not again?

    Then, delivering the programme, you have kids who are away on the night you do one of the specifics....like magnets - so to get them the Chief Scouts, you have to run another similar event to ensure they have ticked the box.

    For such a complex system, I really surprised that the SA has not devised a computer programme that you could use
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    our biggest issue is just not enough leaders but i suppose thats common at most groups.

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    I voted not enough leaders but a close second is record keeping (complexity of it and not having enough time to keep track).
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    I've gone for "Programme Planning" but that really covers "Programming for Zones" and "Leaders available to deliver programme" as well.

    The issue is having enough people with enough time to plan the Programmes to a decent level rather than just turn up and make it up.
    To get more kids we need more adults - are we getting the message yet?

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    I opted for programming for the zones, I struggle at times to try and find the right mix.

    I don't feel that either badges or record keeping prevents anyone delivering a full programme they just complicate matters after the event. Trying to cross reference what activity goes with what badges and challenges can take more time than the activity.

    Yes TSA did try and develop a programme for record keeping, "scoutcount" dissapeared when TSA couldn't get it to work properly
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    I voted for programme planning, as it can be difficult to fit things in and have a varied programme.
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    I voted for specialist instructors - which I suppose is part of 'Leaders'. Running this a very close second is record-keeping. You need an almost encyclopaedic knowledge of all challenges and badges to realise what areas of which challenges/badges any given activity you have just done has covered. Quite often, one activity can be 'ticked off' in about six different places! Added to that is the fact that ten o'clock at night after a lively meeting, is just about the last time you want to be ploughing through loads of paperwork - leave it a couple of days and your spare time is being used on the next meeting/event and very soon, your records are out of date!

    This term I have a new leader to help and her main job over the week is record-keeping. Very nice and works well but it is a luxury many troops cannot afford. The SA needs to find some way of simplifying the whole process!

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    I voted other - the biggest problem with delivering a full programme is access to activities. Even if we had instructors we have to travel quite a long way to do pretty much anything which immediately significantly increases costs.

    Maybe we could do something about it with enough time and effort, so maybe it comes down to not enough leaders.

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    Thanks guys, keep the votes and the comments coming, I'm doing a session on this subject and the comments will be as useful as the votes

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    I'd go for costs, although my group is in a diprieved area, things are quite expensive.



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    To be honest, and I have thought about it, but I don't have any problems delivering a full programme. I have great leaders, we have a very varied and active programme, no problems with our resources or obtaining them, no problems with record keeping, numbers are up and seem to be going up and up and finally the kids seem to be really enjoying themselves.

    I've learnt to be very organised over the years, and I think I know how to run my pack the best. With numbers going through the roof at the moment, our pack is on a real high.

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    i started to explain this in the other thread...

    I run a programme that i enjoy and keeps the kids happy. Along the way, we tend to cover all the challemges, all the zones etc. I very rarely do large projects that take more than a session.

    Looking at the challenges:
    easy peasy:
    creative
    outdoor
    adventure
    (my scouts complete these time and again during their 4 years.)

    easy if we look at what they do out of scouts
    Fitness

    Easy if we don't look too hard at the "project " part... I'm not a teacher, I'm not setting homework.
    Community

    difficult because of numbers of kids and limited number of camps:
    Outdoor Plus

    Now then... my two problem areas...

    Global... All my scouts who went to Switzerland get this with zero effort. But what of those who didn't? I am fiddling it and will allow kids who did not go to do my own caregories that will require a bit of effort but will not need me to find foreign troops, facilitate online meetings etc... my life is too short... if 2 scouts run an interntaional cookery night and do a bit of work towards it... they can have this badge.

    This is scouty, it is fair and it saves me having to set geography projects or spend weeks looking for a foreign group to partner with.

    Promise Challenge oh dear... fortunately, I have a kindly assesor (my old SL) who eases kids through this by pointing out what they've done and making it fit... the potential for embarrassment otherwise is huge...

    I suspect that I'll have to run a Troop Forum (is that a PLC?) to blag some kids through this...

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    Badges...

    I'm generous with these... some can be earned in minutes (sports enthusiast) or by a simple signature from an instructor (swimmer, musician etc). Unlike Dramatist, I don't think it is the troop's job to assess badges. If the kids want them, they can do the work outside of the troop...

    but some badges fit in nicely with the programme but standards vary hugely..

    dragon boating... (do a couple of 1 hour sessions at longridge and you earn it)
    climbing... (climb on all sorts of different rocks and know LOADS of stuff)

    When I took my scouts for a day's climbing instruction at Blackland Farm, they came away with a good knowledge of ropes, knots etc... I awarded them the climbers badge... we live in SE London... that is the most climbing they will get with the troop and they worked hard all day... it seemed fair...

    so... I have found a happy medium...if they turn up to most of the activities, they will get CSG and this requires a god couple of months' work on an expedition.

    But I do balk at schoolwork and presenting things to the troop... that just don't happen at my troop

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    I've gone for the actual planning of the programme. I have a total of 5 adults & 5 very good Young Leaders and a total lack of time to actually plan what they should be doing on any given evening. I look nostalgically back on the days when it was me & one ACSL and 12 cubs.

    We tend to plan that one of us will plan the whole evening and allocate bases to the others, that way each leader only has to actually plan 2 meetings or so a term.

    We also have 'spreadsheet sessions' when the cubs break into sixes with a drink and a doughnut and a leader to go through the spreadsheet and tick off what they think they've done. Works so far, although no-one has got close to gaining the CSSA under the revised rules.

    There are some pretty good spreadsheets out there and I've just changed one from e-scouts, the problem is filling it in for 40 cubs when not everyone is there every week.
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